Assumptions

[Grahameeboy]

It doesn't say it anywhere because it says it everywhere.

Damn small print......

[Maha]

In this case though Mark did not cause the van driver to alter his direction to avoid him as the van driver altered his direction towards Mark..so he was initially out of the van driver's way...a wee bit of road rage on part of said van driver...

Thats the way I saw it Grahame, and I wasn't looking at it from a 'bikers' point of view (we do nothing wrong, right?) it was a regular day to day passing manoeuvre where someone took exception to what I was doing, My point in starting this thread was proven by FJ Rider.

[Grahameeboy]

Thats the way I saw it Grahame, and I wasn't looking at it from a 'bikers' point of view (we do nothing wrong, right?) it was a regular day to day passing manoeuvre where someone took exception to what I was doing, My point in starting this thread was proven by FJ Rider.

Our total ages are 92 so we are just too wise for some eh.....

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

And what evidence to you base that one....

its an Assumption

[Mystic13]

Assumptions are made by those that think they know, but really only have a small piece of evidence to go on while they paint the whole picture as it really happened

Why people continue to voice their opinoins on what the hell happened and why, yesterday in the South Island is beyond me to be honest

I digress...

While heading home North yesterday, traffic was back up to the Satellite Staion south of Warkworth. I didnt really care, I was on the bike, time to jump into the oncoming lane (where possible) and make my way north in a safe manner, in the oncoming lane as it was not that busy heading South. All the time keeping a keen eye on whats coming so I can jump to the left when I need too. I was never (at any stage) that far into the south bound lane at any on time, no need to be. I saw this red van coming and pulled back close to the North bound traffic (very slow moving cars) maybe I was just on the white lines? but this van actually came closer to me than I care for, and made the point of horn blasting at me....he could have move slightly to his left if he felt he was on a collision track with me. This is where the 'Assumption' comes in....I would imagine that, the other road users assumed that I was the twat in this case, when in actual fact, I was indeed being a safe road user.

Okay, is it me or does the first paragraph complain about people making assumptions. And then in the second paragraph you make an assumption about what the other person was thinking and assume they acted in a certain way etc.

I mean if you're going to assume you could also assume that he was in a bit of a day dream on a pretty much deserted road tootling North when "Shit... there's a bike on my side of the road... WTF, I wasn't expecting that" maybe said bike moves over but he is fixated on this bike (still being a little freaked out to see oncoming traffic in his lane) so he fixates on the bike and toots his horn to say "Dude you really freaked me out - you know I'm not really expecting someone to be riding toward me... can you please not do that!". And of course he doesn't know about object fixation as we do and doesn't realise the van is actually turning toward you because that's where he's looking.

Look I agree with you about people assuming things then commenting on their assumptions and it seems to me you did the same. I have no idea what happened out there.

I do know that bike riders experience things a little differently. The cage dwellers can get a little glazed over. I know i can when in the car.

When you buy a specific car you usually find suddenly you see them everywhere. Sunconsciously you become aware of them.

In defence of car drivers
- they are largely unconsciously aware of bikes unless they ride bikes.
- they do not appreciate the speed at which we accelerate and we just seem to come from nowhere. We have blistering acceleration.
- there distance judgement and vehicle movement calculation isn't set for bikes going quickly.


Bike riders assume
- that car drivers should be aware of the above.
- often seem to assume when passing a car late before a corner that they can do it if they have sufficient time to complete the pass even if a car comes around the corner. From many riders I've spoken to not many factor in "what if it's a bike that comes around the corner". I can tell you now if it's a bike going quickly that room you thought you had will be much shorter. Just out of curiosity how many here factor in "what if it's a bike going quickly coming around the corner?"
- that we have a right to perform at the speeds and level of acceleration we do even though other road users may not be able to process that.

Have you ever had the bike that comes out of nowhere and shoots past very close to you. This is what many car drivers experience. I wonder if it would be useful to start realising the dangers we impose on other road users because of the shear performance of our machines.

Them's me thoughts.

[Mom]

Look I agree with you about people assuming things then commenting on their assumptions and it seems to me you did the same. I have no idea what happened out there.

Them's me thoughts.

Good thoughts, and even better assumptions

In summer ALL the traffic is heading north, yesterday there were something like 10km queues of traffic attempting to get through Warkworth. They were travelling at maybe 10 kph if they were lucky. Today was not much better FWIW.

You have assumed Maha was riding south towards oncoming traffic causing an oncoming driver to get target fixated and swerve towards him. Knowing him rather well I would venture to suggest it went something like this...

Big huge endless stream of almost stationary traffic creeping north towards home. Long straight parts of the road he would have (when no immediate oncoming vehicles heading south, of which there are few at this time of the year, were there) slowly crawled past the parked cars heading north, when something was in view heading south he would have slipped back into the parked queue. I am not assuming that this van driver did in fact get pissed off and deliberately head towards Maha with his horn blaring, I know this because Maha has said it happened. I am picking this bloke has been called back to work, when he thought he was on holiday and is pissed off generally.

EDIT: actually I am not picking that is what happened, I am assuming

[madandy]

Had this van driver hit you and witnesses stated to police the van in fact swerved towards you I doubt anyone would care much which side of the white line you were on - the collision would have to be classed as manslaughter at best, attempted, or sucessful murder at worst.

100m of clear road ahead once you've finished the manouvre and returend to your lane the law may state but that gives no one the right to endanger ones life needlessly.

[Mystic13]

Good thoughts, and even better assumptions

In summer ALL the traffic is heading north, yesterday there were something like 10km queues of traffic attempting to get through Warkworth. They were travelling at maybe 10 kph if they were lucky. Today was not much better FWIW.

You have assumed Maha was riding south towards oncoming traffic causing an oncoming driver to get target fixated and swerve towards him. Knowing him rather well I would venture to suggest it went something like this...

Well spotted... damn that assumption was wrong and .....

"In summer ALL the traffic is heading north"

really? ALL the traffic?. I was down south and there was plenty there. I even saw it on the news showing the Kopu Bridge.

I think it may be safe to assume that this thread shouldn't be posted in for fear of having your assumptions aired in public...

I assume this thread has served it's purpose.

P.S. And you assumed I thought all the traffic was heading to Aucks. I could have thought all traffic was heading out of Aucks and just didn't write what I meant to say. Assumptions are a wonderful thing. Let's go with the general gist of my post shall we.....lol

[BMWST?]

....or riding on the white lines?..I mentioned it yes but, sooner or later, when passing other vehicals, you will at some stage ride on the white lines, I was not riding along the white lines, I am not that good. Once again, an assumption has been made and that is how easy it is done.

I saw this red van coming and pulled back close to the North bound traffic (very slow moving cars) maybe I was just on the white lines?

You said that you were on or even over the white line(in the south bound lane.Close to the North bound traffic....to me that means you havent merged with them you are riding alongside...it was not an assumption .

[98tls]

Interesting Mom,any ideas how we can keep them heading north in winter?28 deg down here and had to pass an annoying number of cars over the pig-route today as myself and a few mates went over on bikes.

[98tls]

You said that you were on or even over the white line(in the south bound lane.Close to the North bound traffic....to me that means you havent merged with them you are riding alongside...it was not an assumption .

Yea but your assuming Maha knows what he posts means.

[Maha]

Okay, is it me or does the first paragraph complain about people making assumptions. And then in the second paragraph you make an assumption about what the other person was thinking and assume they acted in a certain way etc.

First sentence?....I was stating not complaining...
Second sentnce?....yes, you are absolutely right...

But...and here's the thing....this happened to Me, I was there and I tell it how I saw it (how many times do I have to say that?)...what vanman did was stoopid (in my opinion) nothing happened to me or him, he went on his merry way as did I. He did move towards me, no doubt about it, I am not complaining about it...just sharing an incident, and I am interested in the comments so far. This thread was started to see how many actually got a clear picture of what happened...because its proven so many times in these sort of threads, that its not the case.

Thank you for your input.

[Maha]

Yea but your assuming Maha knows what he posts means.

Bling sent.....

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

But...and here's the thing....this happened to Me, I was there and I tell it how I saw it (how many times do I have to say that

Vanman saw it differently

[Maha]

Vanman saw it differently

Yes he did....the little horror....