Enough, everyone read please

**McDuck** · 4th January 2009, 21:06

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I did offer.

A light, low Kenworth.

With a 72" Jiffy steel saw mounted on the side.

By my calculations at around 300HP and 1200rpm it'd cut a post in slightly more than a second.

You'd hear it from literally miles away though.

Also have you concidered a john dear 9630? I recon that with the right inplement on the back you could cruze down the barsteds at 50kph..... http://www.deere.com/en_US/cfd/const...ractor2_lg.jpg

**McDuck** · 4th January 2009, 21:08

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I did offer.

A light, low Kenworth.

With a 72" Jiffy steel saw mounted on the side.

By my calculations at around 300HP and 1200rpm it'd cut a post in slightly more than a second.

You'd hear it from literally miles away though.

Originally Posted by Ocean1

All freely available on teh interwebs.

What isn't is an advertising budget to match the official one.

What sombodys old padock basher and the bits from an old RC plane?

I know there is a little more than that but come on?

**Ocean1** · 4th January 2009, 21:26

Originally Posted by McDuck

What sombodys old padock basher and the bits from an old RC plane?

One feels there's more points for artistic merit in the massive engineering overkill approach. More in keeping with the intent behind the original installation.

**gixxer-king** · 6th January 2009, 17:17

Okey dokey, well I emailed Handy Nutsacks and are awaiting a reply. basically some photos of what small cars look like on the other side of the road and what trucks look like parked on top of his pretty barriers. 1 or 2 of the odd motorcycle but they were overseas so maybe the touch will be lost slightly.

Im hoping maybe that with the confusing facts put to him he can read the bold print down the bottom that states "IT IS OVERALL CHEAPER TO CONTINUE TO USE THE CONCRETE CENTER BARRIER DUE TO HEAVILY REDUCED MAINTAINENCE COSTS" but again I may well be wasting my breathe.

Hey Guys I do like the idea of a modified John Deere as maybe a plan B. Could KiwiBiker perhaps sponsor us a motor mower ah I mean Demonstration Vehicle????

**MDR2** · 7th January 2009, 18:54

It's probably stupid for saying this, but wouldn't having a large corporation like ACC backing the anti wsb idea add a bit more grunt to the battle?

mind you, they do have to remain impartial to whoever is in power at the time be it national or labour so they probably wouldn't speak out about the problem.

Just made sense in my head, barriers mean more damage to riders, more damage to riders = more cost to system they've spent money on improving saftey around the home, why not take it to the road? sorry, im rambling

**MSTRS:Me** · 8th January 2009, 08:07

Originally Posted by MDR2

It's probably stupid for saying this, but wouldn't having a large corporation like ACC backing the anti wsb idea add a bit more grunt to the battle?

mind you, they do have to remain impartial to whoever is in power at the time be it national or labour so they probably wouldn't speak out about the problem.

Just made sense in my head, barriers mean more damage to riders, more damage to riders = more cost to system they've spent money on improving saftey around the home, why not take it to the road? sorry, im rambling

I'm sorry, but 'everyone' knows that WRBs save lives etc and are cheaper than concrete. ACC will not back the campaign simply because there have not been enough bikers hurt by this shit. In fact, the barrier type doesn't make any difference to this argument...if a biker hits any barrier, he will be hurt.
We all know which sort we'd rather hit, if it came down to that, but we do not represent a big enough section of the road-using public to be factored into the all-important equations.
Only when this shit lines every inch of our country, and bikers are being sliced'n'diced every other day, will anyone take any notice.
Either that, or someone somewhere finds an unlimited funding source for an extended nationwide media campaign that can reach every motorist. An ad campaign that concentrates more on the dangers that 4-wheeled motorists are exposed to with this shit. One that shakes their belief that they are kept safe by the wires. One which opens their eyes to the reality of a system that kills bikers, and will not necessarily keep the cagers safe.
I have tried to get the Trucking industry, the Motorhome association and even Greypower interested, in ways which directly impacted each of those groups...Not even a response.

**White trash** · 9th January 2009, 08:47

Well of course ACC isin't going to back it.

A dead biker costs alot less in medical treatment than an injured one. Simple maths.

**gixxer-king** · 9th January 2009, 10:49

Originally Posted by White trash

Well of course ACC isin't going to back it.

A dead biker costs alot less in medical treatment than an injured one. Simple maths.

good call. and anyway spending more money doesnt make FA when you are already 6 million down the crapper

**Colapop** · 9th January 2009, 11:03

Cold hard facts. These need to be plastered on billboards. Nope there is no huge budget for this sort of campaign. But what about flyers? There are printers amongst us that are able to print large quantities of simple easy to read flyers. (Yes these guys need to be paid too but there are ways and means)

WRB = $XX/10 years
WRB = $XX ACC dollars/10 years
Concrete babrriers = $XX/10 years
Concrete barriers save lives

I dunno something like that with a fairly graphic example as a background?

**gixxer-king** · 9th January 2009, 17:42

shit col. I love your style. maybe highjacking a tui billboard?, typically you get 2-3 days free advertising if its classy. anyone got a white sheet and some paint?

**nico** · 11th January 2009, 09:36

the one by horokiwi gets creatively re-done very often if you look hard lots of exposure also was a very slow ride involving hundreds of bikers blocking lanes ie saw it on the web in uk i think?? to raise meda exposure seems if it's on the box any one will beleive it

**gixxer-king** · 11th January 2009, 09:41

thats the one i was aiming for, might make a start tomorrow. maybe : Wire Rope Barriers are perfectly safe... Yeah Right, then when that gets taken down: Im gonna stop campagining against wire rope barriers because you took my sign down... yea right

**nico** · 11th January 2009, 14:14

nice 1 ill be looking

**fLaThEaD FreD** · 11th January 2009, 15:05

I seem to remember that Phosphoric Acid can be carried in plastic.......but will eat through steel!!!!

**BigG** · 11th January 2009, 15:24

Originally Posted by gixxer-king

By now most of us are aware of the cheesecutter epidemic sweeping the nation, now most of us have very strong views against these things and for very good reason.

As it has been stated many times before that bitching to one another on these forums is getting us no-where.

So can anyone give us an address or contact person/s that we can approach and express our civilised feelings?

Maybe (as the trucks did and got results) a nation wide motorcycle and car protest will open some eyes and ears?

Would anyone like to volunteer to organise such an event?

Do we actually have pictures of small cars on the other side of these "barriers" as so many of us claim to have. This may help get cagers on our side. (what use are they to cars if they dont stop other cars???)

Pictures WITH CONSENT that can be used publicly or motorcycles that have come to greif with these things. (shock factor works great with little old ladies)

There are hundreds of threads on this topic and I dont think a single member of the AA LTSA NZTA or other abbreviation reads a single one. So its time to take the moaning one step higher.

Could anyone suggest how to get this on the news etc?

Many Thanks, and please lets not start brown stain flinging on this thread.

Yep go and steal some C4 from some whare and blow them up on the motorway that will certainly get some attention.