Round and round we go...

[bluninja]

I've always indicated on any roundabout where I can actually indicate before I've exited

BTW don't quite want to hijack the thread, but there's a nice piece on the safespeed uk site about SMIDSY as a result of A pillar thickness on cars. There's an AVI showing 2 bikes 'disappearing' as they come around a roundabout and half way down this page there's a frame by frame that 'shows' the bike disappearing.

Questions
1)What's the point in indicating if the car never sees you in the first place?
2) If the road toll doesn't go down by 3 what reason will be given?

[jrandom]

Been there, done that and it's still nothin compared to back in Dallas, let alone LA. You want a town were you get off work at 5 but don't get home till 10 or 11, you just go for a nice ride through LA. But luckily it is legal for bikes to lane split through dead stopped traffic if they do not exceed 15mph.

I didn't know the limit for splitting in CA was that low.

Do the CHP enforce it, or do they tend to turn a blind eye to bikes splitting along a wee bit faster than 15?

I wouldn't even THINK about taking a job and moving over there without a bike to commute on, and I sure as hell wouldn't be sticking to 15mph.

[Krayy]

Hells bells. First we have to look out at level crossings and now indicate at roundabouts. Theres only so much space in peoples minds for gods sake. When will it end!!

Imagine what will happen if they go ahead and replace the old "give way to the right at intersections" with the new and improved "Give way if you're turning across lanes but only on a day with a 'T' in it and if you're not in a Remuera tractor (cos everyone knows they own the road anyways)"!!

[bear]

On Breakfast this morning the reason given for the enforcement of the existing laws was due to the amount of fatalities, which (as mentioned) are 3 per year.
Is this just public exercise to re-aquaint motorists with the rules, or are cops going to be sitting at roundabouts now looking to write offenders up?
Surely there are other areas, with higher fatality rates, where the attnetion could be placed.

[vifferman]

I'll agree with indicating left as they exit but indicating right when they enter is just silly. On most cars that have an auto-shutoff thingie (technical term that) if you were to turn the blinker (as the indicator shal hence forth be called by me) to show turning right, as soon as you turn the wheel left it will shut off.

I have the same issue with it. On one of our cars, the auto-cancel doofer (technical term) will actually stop you putting the indicator on if the steering wheel is partly turned. (No - hang on; I think this is the car that our eldest wrote off, so scratch that.) But (BUT!) the Peugeots leave the indicator on until the wheel is at least completely straight again or turned the other way, which is great.

Yes, you are allowed to travel on the BUS LANES in Auckland City where they are marked in green paint on the roads.
BUT you cannot travel on the BUS LANES on the motorways.

Two points - the big advert in TheHarold this morning made no mention of there being bus lanes and BUS Lanes - it just said Bus Lanes. No doubt a few bikers will read this and assume all bus lanes (or Bus Lanes, or BUS LANES) are fair game for biking on. So it'll be interesting to read the actual legislation / rule. Secondly, they are no longer painting bus lanes green, as they decided it was a stupid idea (maybe because of the costs of repainting them, and the increased slipperiness). Some are already no longer green in parts.
It's interesting though, to watch people NOT driving on them, even outside of the hours. I think the green freaks them out (it does make me feel weird... )

[Yokai]

TheHarold

What a great name for a paper - They should have one called the Edna too!

[Mr Skid]

Two points - the big advert in TheHarold this morning made no mention of there being bus lanes and BUS Lanes - it just said Bus Lanes. No doubt a few bikers will read this and assume all bus lanes (or Bus Lanes, or BUS LANES) are fair game for biking on. So it'll be interesting to read the actual legislation / rule. Secondly, they are no longer painting bus lanes green, as they decided it was a stupid idea (maybe because of the costs of repainting them, and the increased slipperiness). Some are already no longer green in parts.
It's interesting though, to watch people NOT driving on them, even outside of the hours. I think the green freaks them out (it does make me feel weird... )

I noticed this as well. I'd think a LTNZ advert saying you can use the bus lanes would be reasonable defence against any tickets issued for riding in bus lanes that happen to be on the motorway.

I am somewhat suprised that these 'changes' have prompted so much debate - I don't believe the pedestrian crossing rule hasn't changed, I've been stopping for peds on the other side of a crossing for as long as I can remember. Likewise, the indication rules on a roundabout don't seem anything different to what I was taught when i was learning to drive.

Maybe the LTNZ secretly want to invest in driver education, but are trying to dress it up as 'changes' to the road rules, so as not to lose face after proclaiming that driver education will result in overconfident drivers that will try even harder to kill one another :unsure:

[vifferman]

Iam thinking that the rule was before thet you had to stop if theres was peeple on the same side of the rode as you not on the other side.

[flyin]

if someones on waiting to cross the road at a zebra crossing you STOP. no matter what side they are on!
pedestrians dont get a cage around them or even a helmet on their head so you gotta be nice to them when they get on the road!

[Biff]

It's about bloody time, and before all those whingers out there start moaning about the extra energy that will be expended when reaching for that indicator switch, stalk etc, spare some sympathy for us Brits. Try having a look at these roundabouts without breaking into a sweat.

They're all real roundabouts, and one I used to use quite regularly - scary stuff I tells ewe.

[bugjuice]

yeah, I rememeber those round abouts within round abouts.. done them a few times in the UK.. When you're on them, they're actually not as bad as they look, you just have to be aware of what's around you, and guess what..? Use your INDICATORS!!!!! and woohoo.. it works.. kinda.. Don't know who the mad scientist was that came up with that, but I don't think the Nobel Peace Prize was in mind..

[Blakamin]

It's about bloody time, and before all those whingers out there start moaning about the extra energy that will be expended when reaching for that indicator switch, stalk etc, spare some sympathy for us Brits. Try having a look at these roundabouts without breaking into a sweat.

They're all real roundabouts, and one I used to use quite regularly - scary stuff I tells ewe.

only the poms could come up with something that fukken stupid! It's not as if they are all 4 lane roads going into it.....

[bugjuice]

only the poms could come up with something that fukken stupid! It's not as if they are all 4 lane roads going into it.....

ever seen a high volume - high speed freeway come to a stop at a monster round about? You get those too.. 5 lanes all fighting to get on.. boy, I miss the fun

[Biff]

only the poms could come up with something that fukken stupid! It's not as if they are all 4 lane roads going into it.....

They may look stupid, but considering the horrendous traffic congestion problems these things work very, very well. As Bug insinuated though, if you don't use your indicator you're forked, and you bloody well deserve to be.

[Blakamin]

ever seen a high volume - high speed freeway come to a stop at a monster round about? You get those too.. 5 lanes all fighting to get on.. boy, I miss the fun

move to queensland... the home of the 300-metre-across roundabout... they don't like traffic lights there so big round things are the go... you'd love it!!! (they are big on reflectors on road markings too... millions of them!!!!)