THE corner in the Rainbow

**cooneyr** · 22nd February 2009, 07:10

Originally Posted by reofix

Almost all bike accidents are a result of people riding outside their stopping distance...end of story

I'm sorry dude but that is a crock of shit. Read my three E's post here.

First point - You can only ride to the conditions you can perceive - i.e environment. If the environment is telling you something that is untrue = unwanted outcome i.e. what this corner does. There is not many if any instances of this on public roads cause they tend to get dealt to quick smart. Doesn't mean this type of situation doesn't occur. Oil/deisel/slipery "stuff" on the road is the other aspect where the environment isn't/doesn't always giving you the full picture.

Second point - Almost all is far to strong a statement (This is what I'm really taking exception to). People regularly interrogate accident records looking for trends i.e. what can be done to reduce the number of accidents. If it was this simple, which is isn't, there would be a clear message/education campaign out there about the issue. Have a look at this MOT published document. If you look at the pie chart at the top of page 4 titled "Who was at fault?" you can see that 58% of the time the riders is at fault, has primary or partial responsibility. Also 39% of the time it is clearly the responsibility of another party. Again - almost all is far to strong, crash causes are not that clear cut.

Cheers R

**warewolf** · 22nd February 2009, 12:37

Originally Posted by reofix

Almost all bike accidents are a result of people riding outside their stopping distance...end of story

Originally Posted by cooneyr

I'm sorry dude but that is a crock of shit. Read my three E's post here.

First point - You can only ride to the conditions you can perceive - i.e environment. If the environment is telling you something that is untrue = unwanted outcome i.e. what this corner does. There is not many if any instances of this on public roads cause they tend to get dealt to quick smart.

And in a nutshell, that is what this situation is all about.

No amount of trite ride-to-the-conditions claptrap will change the fact that this corner is deceptive and a proven problem to a large cross-section of motorists. Some subtle engineering will remove a signficant chunk of the gotcha factor without removing anyone's "widlerness" experience, nor absolve drivers from taking due care.

Get over it.

**reofix** · 24th February 2009, 21:42

interpreted via a filter for the purposes of the interpreter... dont ride outside your stopping distance and stay alive... easy really

**warewolf** · 24th February 2009, 21:54

What do you do when your stopping distance changes?

**Ally67** · 24th February 2009, 22:16

Originally Posted by warewolf

What do you do when your stopping distance changes?

I think you sumed it up with your post on page 4 best werewolf

To quote

jatz....

**Woodman** · 25th February 2009, 00:00

My father was setting up the clip ons and rear sets on a classic bike in the shed once. The bike had no wheels on it and was on quite a high stand. he was sitting on it getting an idea of angles etc when the bike fell off the stand and he fell and knocked himself unconscious and spent 2 nights in hospital.

Was speed or stopping distance to blame in this accident????

**Padmei** · 25th February 2009, 06:46

I reckon a sign would have been the best solution in this situation. Cutting back the vegetation probably would have had a drastic effect when your mum saw it in the morning

**NordieBoy** · 25th February 2009, 06:54

Now if he'd stopped before he hit the ground...

**Underground** · 25th February 2009, 07:16

ATGATT ,you should always wear your helmet

**warewolf** · 25th February 2009, 07:30

Man: 0
Shed: 1

The shed should have been traveling at a speed it could stop in the distance it could see. Ask anybody.

**reofix** · 25th February 2009, 17:58

keep acting stoopid and you dont get to breed...much to the relief of the species

**reofix** · 25th February 2009, 18:06

Colin ... your stopping distance is based on your speed... sometimes 200 k is safe ... sometimes 20 k is too fast ... figure it out and survive

**Transalper** · 25th February 2009, 19:07

Originally Posted by reofix

keep acting stoopid and you dont get to breed...much to the relief of the species

Sounds good in theory, but from what I've seen outside in this world, the stupid people have a heap of kids when very young before their stupidity 'gets' them, where as the smart people just have one or two kids much later in life... if a stupid person don't kill em first.

Woops, I may be wandering