THE corner in the Rainbow

[JATZ]

DAMN cooneyR you've started something here.........

4 pages in less than 24 hrs

[warewolf]

Forget it folks, you can't argue logic with religious zealots.

[Woodman]

This is great reading.

Nobody here wants to take the adventure out of adventure riding, but cooney and a few others I think feel an obligation to do something about a hazard they have identified. It isn't designed to stop the likes of skidmark taking the corner at 90 as that is his choice and his own adventure. You don't have to worry they areen't going to nana up the whole place, just give some guys a fair warning thats all, and i am sure they would rather be out riding than swinging on the end of a shovel. They could stay home and do that.

[FJRider]

in light of the end of nanny state .. we have decided to introduce nanny adventuring... all corners wil be signposted ... all hazards eliminated ... all entrants will be blood tested and required to attend a 3 day induction and re-education camp to ensure their suitability and safety... all bikes will be fitted with an additional set of wheels to keep them vertical ... all adventure is hereby outlawed... enjoy your ride

Many a true word spoken in jest...

[warewolf]

OMG! One corner is going to have minor safety improvements... quick sell your bike and give up riding entirely, it'll never be any fun anymore...

[cooneyr]

I've tried to be as polite as possible and provide the relevant info till now but FFS you nay sayers need to pull yours heads in. I'm NOT proposing to "bubble wrap" the route, I'm NOT proposing signage, I'm NOT proposing to take the majority of the skill requirement out of the corner. I'm simply proposing measures that make it more clear the corner is not what it appears to be using natural means. People will still be able to stick themselves in the ditch and break bones but I'd prefer it if they don't.

There is absolutely no point in spouting on about how "experienced" you are or not, how many kms you have done nor what bike you ride and what other riders should or shouldn't do. The fact remains that many people (2 wheels or 4) have offs or near misses at the corner and continue to do so and unfortunately the results are normally broken bones. I also know of one death at the corner. No other corner on the whole 320ish kms of the Rainbow and Molesworth has the reputation of this one.

As for the so called experts - I'm a civil engineer and have been doing this sort of stuff (investigations and developing options) on public roads for almost 10 years. I believe I said all that needs to be said in the post about the three E's.

I will continue to go down the path that I've stated i.e. talk politely to the Station Manager about options that they are happy with while ensuring that I don't piss him off and go from there. As this is a private road the final decision is the Station Managers call so we will have to respect his decision.

Cheers R

[FJRider]

This is great reading.

Nobody here wants to take the adventure out of adventure riding, but cooney and a few others I think feel an obligation to do something about a hazard they have identified. It isn't designed to stop the likes of skidmark taking the corner at 90 as that is his choice and his own adventure. You don't have to worry they areen't going to nana up the whole place, just give some guys a fair warning thats all, and i am sure they would rather be out riding than swinging on the end of a shovel. They could stay home and do that.

There were some (on the Dusty Butt wasn't it...) that were warned about that corner, but still binned on that corner... perhaps some just require bigger, or more warnings than others...

[skidMark]

OMG! One corner is going to have minor safety improvements... quick sell your bike and give up riding entirely, it'll never be any fun anymore...

It won't end at one corner we ALL know that.

[oldrider]

This thread hints at empathy for the way Maori and American Indians etc must have felt as settlers swarmed all over their "unspoiled" wilderness! John.

[warewolf]

It won't end at one corner we ALL know that.

...and it didn't start with this corner, so why all the angst??? Besides, with the mods Ryan is suggesting, no-one will ever know it's been tweaked, just by looking at it.

How many of the corners have been tweaked already?
How many of the fords have been bulldozed to remove the drop-offs?
How many of the fords have been lined with concrete?
How many of the streams have... shock! horror!... bridges?
For that matter, how many of the corners are signposted already?

OMG! They're taking all the purity from my adventure, sorry, wilderness ride.

[FJRider]

Yeah O.K. your probly right, dont want to take the Adv out of Adv-riding.

BUT this corner has claimed cooneyr, almost got me and Padmei on the 1st, got 426crasher on the 2nd and got TuckerBag on the 3rd.
There has been others, I don't know exactly how many (but I'd like to).
Might also be interesting to know how many bikes go through there in a season, puting some statistics into a debate is always a good way to stir it up a bit

Everybody has their own level of adventure. To some, 250 km's of tar seal ...in a day, is an adventure.

I would be interested to hear in your own words, what you did wrong to almost get claimed by that corner, and what you did right to not get claimed by that corner.

I wonder if those statistics will tell how many almost binned on that corner.

I also believe any "improvements" to that corner, will be more to banish personal demons, than public safety. But thats my opinion... but I'm just a smarty pants. What do I know... Whatever the reasons, whatever you do, GOOD LUCK... OH... I can PM you the location of a few corners down my way you may want to look at...

[JATZ]

Everybody has their own level of adventure. To some, 250 km's of tar seal ...in a day, is an adventure.

I would be interested to hear in your own words, what you did wrong to almost get claimed by that corner, and what you did right to not get claimed by that corner.

I wonder if those statistics will tell how many almost binned on that corner.

I also believe any "improvements" to that corner, will be more to banish personal demons, than public safety. But thats my opinion... but I'm just a smarty pants. What do I know... Whatever the reasons, whatever you do, GOOD LUCK... OH... I can PM you the location of a few corners down my way you may want to look at...

O.K.last post for tonight ( I don't like leaving a debate half way through but I gotta get to bed)

When I almost went off, I was expecting (yes I know, mistake #1) that corner to be like the last few I'd just been around, looking at the scenery(as you do(mistake #2)) and thinking about tea on saturday night(mistake #3),Like I said I wasn't going fast, maybe 40k's, but I wasn't watching the speedo

What I did to get around it without incident, I picked a landmark (the blue shed, which I had seen earlier(looking at the scenery)) and remembered to look for it next time, It's visible a wee way before you get to said bend so you know your close.

Hell yeah P.M. me the locations, any excuse to go for a ride

[magicfairy]

As the partner of a 3 time Dusty Butter (Balrog) soon to do the Yamaha Safari I am extremely grateful for Ryans efforts to stop that corner claiming anyone else.
It's not just the riders lives impacted when something bad happens, there are loved ones who suffer, when these 'adventures' go wrong.

I have been in that hospital room with those loved ones as they wait for answers. I have sat next to the widow saying good bye to a friend in his coffin.

So I'm with Ryan on this one . He knows what he is talking about.

It's about preventing unecessary accidents, not spoiling anyones fun.

[Aslan]

right on! I'm with Magic Fairy and those in CooneyR's camp on this one - oops I stuck my head above the parapet

[tri boy]

Bout time the adv guys n gals had a knock down stoush
I'll leave it to the locals to sort this out. I've only ridden the Rainbow once, and it was with marks, which meant snails and slugs were tooting at us, and giving the finger