What do you make of this cornering advice?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I also studied that ad closely (it's in the latest Two Wheels magazine) and had similar thoughts. I would start my turn into that corner much later than the way it's illustrated. I think that in both the scenarios shown, they're starting the turn way too early.

But it's only an ad, and if it makes bikers who see it think about their cornering as much as we have, then it's probably quite a good ad.

When I first saw it it was the sound that came from me that gave a fright... sorted sound like... "Ggnnawwwwweeeeehhhh "

But then I thought about it... (the sound got lounder) so I thought more.

While like you I would not be turning into the apex so early if I knew the road and corner and could see that it tightens, how step is the gradiant of the hill, and could see on coming traffic, and the sheep that got out of the paddock around the corner... but many corners unless you know the road well it is harder to judge and read. There are the split seconds at times, that you can not see around the corner and the road does veer off to the left over that rise and you can not see if it tightens or if there is on coming tourist in a camper van or a bus that is wider than the lane (happens in Milford sound ) and cuts corners to get round.

However on saying that yes it is just an advert, and the idea is to get bikers to start thinking about there lines in cornering. (and to basically slow down)If the oncoming cage cuts that corner the biker is better off on the inner line isn't he. And in most cases I probably don't know the road that well and would still stuff up my line...

Reading the road is a bit of an art form, especially in NZ where there are no standards and many off camber corners (though a lot of them are being fixed by simply taking the corner away...

[James Deuce]

There's no point trying to educate "motorcyclists".

They start off knowing it all so you can put any old picture up you want and it will be "wrong".

[jrandom]

Both lines are way better if you get your knee down.

[MsKABC]

The only way my knee sliders are gonna get scuffed up is if I take 'em out to the garage and introduce them to the angle grinder

[jrandom]

The only way my knee sliders are gonna get scuffed up is if I take 'em out to the garage and introduce them to the angle grinder

Nonsense. You'd most likely get the angle all wrong, anyhow, and it'd be obvious what you'd been up to.

Just bring the Bros to a trackday.

[MsKABC]

Nonsense. You'd most likely get the angle all wrong, anyhow, and it'd be obvious what you'd been up to.

Just bring the Bros to a trackday.

Nah, I'll just tell anyone if they ask that I'd been stunting and riding my bike backwards/upside-down with my knee down

If I got hubby to help, I'm sure we'd get it right anyway

Maybe one day on the bucket though....

[jrandom]

If I got hubby to help, I'm sure we'd get it right...

Just be sure to stand over him closely so that any instructions issued can be heard and obeyed instantly, mmkay?

[Katman]

Surely those lines are entirely relative to the speed that the motorcycle is taking the corner.

As we don't know that, the ad is rather misleading.

[Sully60]

Rimutakas and other similar roads will know. On a blind lefthand corner, that tight route provides the least visibility of what may be ahead, such as piles of strewn rocks and other material, diesel spills wankers on treadlies (sorry, I mean bicyclists), etc.

You forgot the dudes on skateboards, seriously!

[MsKABC]

Just be sure to stand over him closely so that any instructions issued can be heard and obeyed instantly, mmkay?

Good point, I might even wear my special outfit too

[MsKABC]

Surely those lines are entirely relative to the speed that the motorcycle is taking the corner.

Don't call me Shirley

[Sully60]

Don't call me Shirley

Without the appropriate Clarence.

[MSTRS:Me]

While like you I would not be turning into the apex so early if I knew the road and corner and could see that it tightens, how step is the gradiant of the hill, and could see on coming traffic, and the sheep that got out of the paddock around the corner... but many corners unless you know the road well it is harder to judge and read. There are the split seconds at times, that you can not see around the corner and the road does veer off to the left over that rise and you can not see if it tightens or if there is on coming tourist in a camper van or a bus that is wider than the lane (happens in Milford sound ) and cuts corners to get round.

The less you know a road, the greater the imperative to give yourself the best sight-lines etc. Stay wide. And it should not matter what speed you are doing...slower = same line = less lean angle. You still get to see the turkey in the WRX/SUV on your side in time to avoid him. If you are going a little quick(er) and you drop in early, you will not see what's coming in time to react, plus you will likely get slingshotted wide on corner exit...just in time to become a hood ornamet.

[The Stranger:Me]

Oh I dunno. I used to take the technical "turn in late for apex" approach but on every (not most, not nearly but every) run around the Coromandel there's always one muppet with their ute or boat swinging over the wrong side of the road.

Well yeah, but the wider you are, the sooner you are likely to see them.

[scracha]

Well yeah, but the wider you are, the sooner you are likely to see them.

I'm talking about those blinds bends with the 20Km sign where mr cage (and a lot of mr motorcyclist) just decide to cut out half the corner. I now just hit the pics and crawl round the inside of them. Different story where you can see a bit farther tho.