Gaza

[Winston001]

hea .. been thinkin bout heading down to the Green Party HQ in Kingsland with a bad attitude and a duffle bag fulla shoes myself .. ..


filthy hippies...

Ah Sarge, hoped you'd show up and put matters in perspective regarding the Christian Phalangalists in 1982. On the other hand, you might just say "sod it". All hail the Jarheads.

[slowpoke]

In 1948 the brand new state of Israel was attacked by the Arab armies who had 3 million soldiers at their command. Britain watched. America was too distant to help. Somehow - they had their backs to the wall and nothing to lose - the Israelis eventually won.

Referring to your underdog comments, this in itself is a bit misleading when we think of Israel during the 6 Day War: Israel was well prepared for attack and was not itself attacked until it launched a massive pre-emptive strike against the Egyptian air force (Operation Moked) which guaranteed Israel had air superiority for the ensuing war. This air superiority is what allowed them to capture the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsular and Golan Heights which affects the geo-political climate to this day.

If the Palestinian cause was so just and simple, do you really imagine their semitic brothers wouldn't intervene? Not with guns but with money. 1% of the GDP of Saudi Arabia would solve the Palestinian woes for all time.

But it ain't gonna happen.

How would money help? By allowing the Israeli's to knock over a better standard of house? By allowing the Palestinians to buy back the land they already own but have been displaced from? (tui ad) By building hospitals for the wounded that Israeli's won't let past checkpoints? I don't follow your logic on that one....

[SixPackBack]

Fuck the Palestinians....unless they sort out their criminal organisations like Hamas they will continue to be treated the same way.

[Street Gerbil]

If the Palestinian cause was so just and simple, do you really imagine their semitic brothers wouldn't intervene? Not with guns but with money. 1% of the GDP of Saudi Arabia would solve the Palestinian woes for all time.

Nah, not all of them. Only those woes related to insufficient supply of explosives and limited range and precision of their missiles. You can't possibly be so naive as to think that with a typical palestinian leadership, be it Fatah or Hamas (hint: Arafat died a multimillionaire), a slightest trickle out of truckloads of money supplied by UN, liberal western states (i.e. your tax money) and various NGOs has a chance of reaching ordinary palestinians? Nah, they need to be kept miserable, because if palestinians are better off, they may accidentally forget why they all have to die while waging Jihad against Jews. Unacceptable. Which is precisely why since 1967 their brethren who would love to see the Jewish state destroyed but do not have the teeth, only help them with hot air rhetoric.

[Winston001]

How would money help? By allowing the Israeli's to knock over a better standard of house? By allowing the Palestinians to buy back the land they already own but have been displaced from? (tui ad) By building hospitals for the wounded that Israeli's won't let past checkpoints? I don't follow your logic on that one....

Well...yes. Buying back the land their Palestinian ancestors sold - just as the Zionists bought it in the first place.

Israel isn't going away. Just like we European settlers aren't going to leave NZ. So just as Maori have, the Palestinians need to adapt. Harsh maybe but reality.

As for the occupied/confiscated land - that came about as spoils of war plain and simple. In 1948 when the Arab armies sought to push the Jews into the sea, they told the Palestinians to move off their land to get out of the way of the war. The Palestinians were promised they could return afterwards and seize the loot.

Unfortunately against all odds, the Israelis won. And took the land. Seems like a fair swop to me - the land was paid for in blood.

That left hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and Libya.

Interestingly the media ignore the 1.3 million Arabs actually living peacefully within Israel. Many do not support the Palestinian cause.

And I get rather tired of the King David Hotel and Deir Yassin incidents being trotted out. In both cases warnings were given. But leave that aside, the suicide bombings and countless atrocities committed by Arabs against Israeli and Western targets more than balances the scales. Ask Sarge about the 220 dead Marines in Beirut.

[Winston001]

Nah, not all of them. Only those woes related to insufficient supply of explosives and limited range and precision of their missiles. You can't possibly be so naive as to think that with a typical palestinian leadership, be it Fatah or Hamas (hint: Arafat died a multimillionaire), a slightest trickle out of truckloads of money supplied by UN, liberal western states (i.e. your tax money) and various NGOs has a chance of reaching ordinary palestinians? Nah, they need to be kept miserable, because if palestinians are better off, they may accidentally forget why they all have to die while waging Jihad against Jews. Unacceptable. Which is precisely why since 1967 their brethren who would love to see the Jewish state destroyed but do not have the teeth, only help them with hot air rhetoric.

Sadly I have to agree - but it would be interesting to try. What Palestinians need is to replace hatred with hope. Money doesn't heal all wounds but if your family are well-fed and safe, and you have a secure job, then it's hard to stay angry.

Ironically the Palestinians are outbreeding the Israelis which means Israel must somehow accommodate their demands or else face being swamped.

[The Stranger:Me]

The current exchange rate appears to be about 70 Palestinians to the Israeli.

What should it be?

[Oscar]

The Third Riech isn't going away. Just like we European settlers aren't going to leave NZ. So just as Maori have, the Poles need to adapt. Harsh maybe but reality.

As for the occupied/confiscated land - that came about as spoils of war plain and simple. In 1918 when the Allied armies sought to push the Volk into oblivion, they told the Germans to move off their land to get out of the way of the war. The Germans were promised they could return afterwards and live peacefully under foreign rule.

Unfortunately against all odds, Germany has risen again. And took the land. Seems like a fair swop to me - the land was paid for in blood.

That left hundreds of thousands of Polish, Jews and Untermensh living in refugee camps in The General Government area.

Interestingly the media ignore the millions of Vichy French actually living peacefully with Germany. Many do not support the Allied cause.

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Winning a war is in itself not a valid moral excuse for what happens next...

[Oscar]

Sadly I have to agree - but it would be interesting to try. What Palestinians need is to replace hatred with hope. Money doesn't heal all wounds but if your family are well-fed and safe, and you have a secure job, then it's hard to stay angry.

Ironically the Palestinians are outbreeding the Israelis which means Israel must somehow accommodate their demands or else face being swamped.

Why do you not mention the economic blockade of Gaza by Israel?
Explain how that is helping the peace effort.

[Street Gerbil]

Ironically the Palestinians are outbreeding the Israelis which means Israel must somehow accommodate their demands or else face being swamped.

I believe you are confusing palestinians i.e. citizens of Palestinian Autonomy with Israeli Arabs i.e. citizens of Israel of Arab descent. The latter are not stupid enough to wish Israel's demise. They know all too well (and would often admit it in a private conversation, when they are sure they cannot be overheard or had one too many) they are better off living under the oppressive yoke of the Zionist regime than under freedoms of palestinian freedom and self-determination.

[Winston001]

I believe you are confusing palestinians i.e. citizens of Palestinian Autonomy with Israeli Arabs i.e. citizens of Israel of Arab descent. The latter are not stupid enough to wish Israel's demise. They know all too well (and would often admit it in a private conversation, when they are sure they cannot be overheard or had one too many) they are better off living under the oppressive yoke of the Zionist regime than under freedoms of palestinian freedom and self-determination.

Actually I meant both although the Israeli Arabs birth rate isn't as fast as the Palestinians. Both are higher rates than the Jewish population.

[Pussy]

Don't forget though, folks

Minto is a TWAT

[Winston001]

Why do you not mention the economic blockade of Gaza by Israel?
Explain how that is helping the peace effort.

Oscar, you are a naughty lad trying to use Imperial Germany as a metaphor for Israel. There is simply no rational comparison. Germany both in 1914 and in 1939 was the aggressor and attacked the rest of Europe. By contrast Israel has experienced continuous attacks against its borders.

Israel as you well know has been and is defending it's very existence. While rockets and bombs continue to come out of Gaza, while the government of Gaza continues to have a stated policy of aggression against Israel, then the embargo will continue. Lay down arms, talk peacefully, and things will change.

[SARGE]

look.. heres the way i see it ...



Hamas is launching rockets into Israel.. have been for a while now..they are also hiding amongst civilian populations and using schools, hospitals and mosques as shelter


this is the same tactic that Al queda, Hezbollah, etc have been using forever..

then when they start getting fire.. the liberal media starts lapping it up and calling the ones cranking rounds downrange "war criminals" (ratings!!!)

fact is .. if the civilian populace would turn thier backs on the insurgents and start pointing fingers in the direction of the insurgents and clearing out long enough to sweep aand clear then the fighting would be over quickly

i have no respect for a supposed "soldier" who rely's on human shields..then cries when they get blown to shit..


cowards


far as im concerned.. Israel should hit them harder and make sure the fight aint worth it for the enemy

[SARGE]

Ask Sarge about the 220 dead Marines in Beirut.

241 bro...