China 250cc 4 stroke

**DELLORTO** · 19th January 2009, 16:19

7-8 years of what?? i dont think having the colour red counts.....

**Atomic** · 19th January 2009, 16:34

Originally Posted by B0000M

honda probably still can, they just dont.

on the plus side for honda, they are about 7-8 years ahead of suzuki in technology anyway so it may only become an issue some time around 2014

I dont follow the race circuit but Honda must be podium finishing strides ahead of Suzuki! Infact, 7-8 years...Suzuki must not have have finished anywhere on the leader board in the last 5 years.

Im shocked that my Suzuki dealer sold me such an out of date piece of shit

Now to top it off, Suzuki are trying to talk there product up and lying about winning manufacturers points series!!! There is no way they could of done this, they are 7-8 years behind Honda!

2008 MX1 Manufacturer Points
1 Suzuki 587
2 Yamaha 583
3 KTM 575
4 Kawasaki 518
5 Honda 470
6 TM 43
7 Aprilia 23

**DELLORTO** · 19th January 2009, 16:50

ive had several suzuki's and they are very very nice bikes and they are a gud price.....travis pastranna rides a suzuki and so do lots of top mx riders....so they cant be as bad as you say they are!

**B0000M** · 19th January 2009, 16:53

i didnt recall mentioning which manufacturer had the best riders in their team....

suzuki , revolutionising the 2 stroke in 2009 with their revolutionary STEEL frame

i even spoke to a 'head of crew' of a sponsored suzuki rider recently who thinks they are rubbish, an that everything is 'fucked' so much faster than the previous seasons on yamahas, his comment was that they just dont last like the other makes, but whever's giving out the best sponsorship deals wins this rider's ride. of course they are priced accordingly - cheapest jappa. but he still said if he were buying bikes again it would be without a doubt a honda or yamaha

**oldskool** · 19th January 2009, 16:54

Originally Posted by DELLORTO

hay suzuki is better than honda

!!! at least suzuki can STILL make 2 smokers!!!

I don't know how you can say that when Suzuki went through a bad patch financially and had to lower their quality and opt for cheaper manufacture and volume sales and they made a decision to rebadge Kawasaki's rather than forge ahead with R&D and innovation.
Isn't Honda still the largest Japanese motorcycle manufacturer?

**clmintie** · 19th January 2009, 17:27

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........

**B0000M** · 19th January 2009, 17:29

Originally Posted by clmintie

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........

nah, im not defending anyone, i just dont like suzukis and hummers and other similar bikes

**oldskool** · 19th January 2009, 17:52

Originally Posted by clmintie

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........

me's a stirring the pot, you fence sitter you

**laserracer** · 19th January 2009, 17:54

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**Atomic** · 19th January 2009, 18:32

Originally Posted by clmintie

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........

Dont take my previous post too seriously, was just piss taking.
I can assure you I did not purchase based on MX1 points etc.
I bought the best deal.

Originally Posted by B0000M

i didnt recall mentioning which manufacturer had the best riders in their team....

suzuki , revolutionising the 2 stroke in 2009 with their revolutionary STEEL frame

i even spoke to a 'head of crew' of a sponsored suzuki rider recently who thinks they are rubbish, an that everything is 'fucked' so much faster than the previous seasons on yamahas, his comment was that they just dont last like the other makes, but whever's giving out the best sponsorship deals wins this rider's ride. of course they are priced accordingly - cheapest jappa. but he still said if he were buying bikes again it would be without a doubt a honda or yamaha

I agree! All brands have alloy frames available from their thumper range so why dont they throw the 2stroke in the alloy frame rather than continue to manufacture steel crap...? KTM are still R&Ding but still no alloy frame? I guess that comes down to the Austrians budget.

Myself, much like most recreational riders are no faster or slower between Yellow Red Blue Green...so it comes down to $$$. Hence why I buy Suzuki. I have never had an issue with my bikes "not lasting" and im pretty sure nothing on my Suzuki is "fucked" ???

Im not brand biast by the way, even looked at a Honda for my second MXer because I liked the twin pipes but was a bit too pricey for me.

**DELLORTO** · 19th January 2009, 18:46

Originally Posted by Atomic

Dont take my previous post to seriously, was just piss taking.
I can assure you I did not purchase based on MX1 points etc.
I bought the best deal.

I agree! All brands have alloy frames available from their thumper range so why dont they throw the 2stroke in the alloy frame rather than continue to manufacture steel crap...? KTM are still R&Ding but still no alloy frame? I guess that comes down to the Austrians budget.

Myself, much like most recreational riders are no faster or slower between Yellow Red Blue Green...so it comes down to $$$. Hence why I buy Suzuki. I have never had an issue with my bikes "not lasting" and im pretty sure nothing on my Suzuki is "fucked" ???

Im not brand biast by the way, even looked at a Honda for my second MXer because I liked the twin pipes but was a bit too pricey for me.

i agree, the none of the jap brands are crap.......their all gud jsut some have more expensive parts on them..ect its the chinese bikes which can have issues......