Speed kills?

**mstriumph** · 17th January 2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

It doesn't matter who quotes what statistic, Speed Kills, the faster you go, the less capable your vehicle becomes at both stopping and turning.

The faster you go, the more damage you will suffer, and cause.

i take it you are advocating a return to the 5mph limit with a man with a red flag walking in front of every vehicle?

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

This retarded thread pops up every few months,

amazing, that, since the latest stats quoted have only just been released over here ............... we'd better get hold of whoever 'popped them up' last time and ask him/her for next week's winning lotto numbers methinks

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

......... supported by those who seek justification for their speeding, where there is none.

you know, i'm a basically law-abiding, upstanding, tax-paying, community-minded member of the motoring public but that doesn't mean that i'd jump in the lake if the lawmakers decided to pass legislation making jumping in lakes mandatory ..... my personal view (and, i suspect, one shared by many) is that it is totally laughable that ANYONE can seriously impose an arbitary 'one size fits all' limit for a stretch of road that represents a 'safe' driving/riding speed for ALL drivers/riders in/on vehicles of ALL age & capabilities at ALL times of day, in ALL weathers, ALL road/visibility conditions and ALL traffic densities and expect to retain both their credibility and the support of the general public ....

- i'm certainly glad i have sufficient power to get myself out of trouble when the crazies drive erratically and unpredictably in front of me or around me .... it's laughable that you should think i give one second's thought to 'justification' if i have to exceed the posted limit to avoid or pass them - self-preservation is adequate defence, methinks .... and if some knob of a policeperson thinks it ISN'T well, at least i'm still alive to get fined or whatever.

however - it is your right to think differently - it is your right to believe whatever you wish to believe ........

hey - wanna buy the Auckland Harbour Bridge? ... i'll give you a GREAT discount.................

**LBD** · 17th January 2009, 21:48

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

It doesn't matter who quotes what statistic, Speed Kills, the faster you go, the less capable your vehicle becomes at both stopping and turning.

The faster you go, the more damage you will suffer, and cause.

This retarded thread pops up every few months, supported by those who seek justification for their speeding, where there is none.

The faster you go, the bigger the mess....If you have an accident.

However the evidence seems that a degree of more speed could reduce the accident rate.

I am not a slow rider, but by the same token I am not a stupid rider either. Limited to 100kph on wide, quiet country roads is stupid, getting booked on one at 115 is nothing short of revinue raising.

**Jantar** · 17th January 2009, 21:51

From http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel/index.html

"Contrary to public perception that accidents decrease when speed limits are lowered and increase when speed limits are raised, the accident rates in table 9 indicate that this perception may not be true. The data actually indicate that accident rates were reduced at sites where speed limits were raised and increased at sites where speed limits were lowered, assuming that the comparison site accident history reflects what actually would have occurred at the experimental sites."

**SixPackBack** · 17th January 2009, 22:09

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

It doesn't matter who quotes what statistic, Speed Kills, the faster you go, the less capable your vehicle becomes at both stopping and turning.

The faster you go, the more damage you will suffer, and cause.

This retarded thread pops up every few months, supported by those who seek justification for their speeding, where there is none.

Occupation STMS=Site traffic management supervisor!?...........naturally we can rely on you to regurgitate the same cash-flow inducing ad nauseum as the rest of the gubberment sheep. Unfortunately as you are undoubtedly aware repeating simplistic lies does not create a truth. Simpleton.

**Jantar** · 17th January 2009, 22:49

From http://www.investigatemagazine.com/july00speed.htm

"The latest statistics," says National Motorists Association spokesman Eric Peters, "should provide some tasty garnish for the crow sandwich now being placed in front of such doomsayers as former NHTSA chief Joan Claybrook and Clarence Ditlow, her cohort from the Centre of Auto Safety.

"Of the 36 states to set higher-than-55-mph interstate speed limits, the majority showed an improvement in traffic safety.

"In California, where interstate speed limits are [now] set at 70 mph, the fatality rate declined 4 percent between 1995 and 1996 - the best record since 1961. In Mississippi, the fatality rate dropped an impressive 21 percent after the highway limit was raised from 55 mph to 70 mph."

In Montana, where speed limits were abolished entirely, the number of road deaths dropped by five percent

**Maki** · 18th January 2009, 05:31

The response from a certain gubbmint official here just goes to further prove that most law enforcement on the roads is about revenue collecting and they could care less about road safety.

Does anyone remember police making a U turn in an area with very limited visibility because they thought they saw someone speeding?

http://www.bikermates.co.nz/biker-mates-forum/1165.html

**SixPackBack** · 18th January 2009, 05:58

Originally Posted by Maki

The response from a certain gubbmint official here just goes to further prove that most law enforcement on the roads is about revenue collecting and they could care less about road safety.

Does anyone remember police making a U turn in an area with very limited visibility because they thought they saw someone speeding?

http://www.bikermates.co.nz/biker-mates-forum/1165.html

One of the advantages of owning a radar detector is being aware of patrol cars in the area that are sometimes driving dangerously. We have all seen or experienced the glazed officer driving at high speed,lights blazing, cutting corners to catch the dangerous speeding motorist, sometimes the lights are not on!?......a recent experience on SH16 may well have resulted in injury if not for pre warning.

There is something seriously wrong with our current manic approach to nailing speeders and seemingly ignoring red light runners etc. The general public is well aware it revolves around money.

On a side-note my wife expressed a desire to join the force [working presently in local bylaws], however it was the 'revenue collecting' side of the job that eventually scared her off; pity really she would have made a good cop!!

**Pixie** · 18th January 2009, 10:33

Here's some research that explains why making roads too "safe" and vehicles too automated,won't achieve safety targets

**Hitcher** · 18th January 2009, 19:03

In Montana, where speed limits were abolished entirely, the number of road deaths dropped by five percent

Montana has speed limits. 70mph on the Interstate, 55mph everywhere else.

**Forest** · 18th January 2009, 22:59

I'd take those stats with a grain of salt.

In 2004 the number of deaths was 20 below the long-term average. A figure of 20 above the long term average might well be a similar statistical blip.

**swbarnett** · 19th January 2009, 14:14

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

It doesn't matter who quotes what statistic, Speed Kills, the faster you go, the less capable your vehicle becomes at both stopping and turning.

Only if you're out driving your own speed limit. Not if you happen to be above some arbitrary number set by those with no idea of YOUR driving ability. For some drivers or riders their own speed limit will be above that currently posted, for others it will be below. Arbitrary speed limits compact drivers to a narrow band where some can't handle the speed and others get bored.

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

The faster you go, the more damage you will suffer, and cause.

WRONG! The faster you HIT ...