Northern Gateway - motorbikes to pay $2 like a car

**MarkH** · 10th November 2009, 22:28

This whole toll thing is a big stupid con - more money from the tolls paid has gone to collecting the tolls than the cost of the road. They should never have gone with the inefficient revenue collecting method of charging tolls. With all the road tax paid in this country on fuel why are we paying again for using the roads? It seems like double dipping to me.

Apart from that - why the fuck does the AA get is such a tiz over motorbikes? So what if they get a free run over the toll road! It isn't like motorcycles contribute nearly as much in road wear as a car and cars can carry 4 or 5 people along that road for $2 - to pay the same to ride a bike seems wrong. But to charge a bike $1 is stupid because it costs more than $1 to collect the toll - the simplest solution is to just let bikes use the road for free!

**PrincessBandit** · 11th November 2009, 06:44

Originally Posted by Sis

Advert in the NZ Herald today on page A14 asking for our views on "whether motorcyclists should pay a toll to use the toll road, just like every other motorist." That is one loaded sentence.
.........
Seems ACC may have started something here!

Originally Posted by Swoop

Submission sent.

It will make sod-all difference though. This road has been designed to collect tolls for 35 YEARS.
They are fleecing us against future claims from this project... to make MORE projects that will (presumably) be tolled.

Hmmmm, now that does sound strangely familiar......

**Rockbuddy** · 11th November 2009, 06:55

see they tried to slip that one past while our attention is on the acc thing, lets all send in our comments en masse.
seems the powers in this country want to be rid of motorcycles for some strange reason

**101bob** · 12th November 2009, 14:06

Tolling motorcycles on the Northern Gateway Toll Road

The NZ Transport Agency would like to hear your views on whether motorcyclists should pay a toll to use the Northern Gateway Toll Road, just like other motorists.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/consultation...ion/index.html

This mean we pay $2 each way

**Swoop** · 12th November 2009, 14:11

Already a few threads on this topic.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=90508

**Waxxa** · 12th November 2009, 14:49

I will never pay a toll on any road...

**R6_kid:Me** · 12th November 2009, 14:55

Originally Posted by Waxxa

I will never pay a toll on any road...

You already do, every time you fill up with gas.

**EJK** · 12th November 2009, 14:57

Originally Posted by R6_kid

You already do, every time you fill up with gas.

Speaking of tax and petrol prices....

http://www.shell.com/home/content/nz...axes_1125.html

According to the AA website, we are paying ACC via fuel too! I didn't know that....

Originally Posted by AA Website

45.524 cents - National Land Transport Fund
9.90 cents - ACC Motor Vehicle Account
0.66 cents - Local Authorities Fuel Tax
0.045 cents - Petroleum or Engine Fuels Monitoring Levy

**Mully** · 12th November 2009, 15:42

Who cares (apart from the sound in the tunnel)?

The toll road is straight and boring. Let the cars have it - bikes can keep the existing winding roads.

Unless you're in a particular hurry, in which case, obscure your plate.

**bmwr690s** · 14th November 2009, 11:54

While clicking onto the web site to pay a car toll I was astounded to find a questionair about whether Bikers should have to pay a toll. As this site would generally only be accessed by car drivers the majority of replies would come from car owners and nothing from bikers. The LTSA could say they have consulted the public and the most likely outcome would be that the consensus of all the replies would say bikes should pay a toll as input from riders would be non existant or very very small. Another sneaky method of getting at Bikers:angry. The poll ends in a few days so have a look and give your opinion.

**crisis** · 14th November 2009, 19:23

I see the nz Transport Agency is consulting on whether to charge motocycles to use the northern gateway toll road, first ACC now this. I guess its is pretty easy to avoid using this bit of road tho. Comments can be made at www.nzta.govt.nz

**kwakaturbo** · 15th November 2009, 17:25

what the hells going on first the govermont wants to tax us to the max now i read that theres a discussion about us having to pay for the new toll road what next.

i think they must be using us as scape goats for some reason maybe well be paying for there next bonuses with all our extra funds we will have to pay,fuck the govrment

**CalNZ** · 18th November 2009, 14:17

Hi all,

As if ACC levies were not enough, NZTA is now looking at (read: already decided to) charging motorcycles to use the Northern Gateway toll road.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/consultation...ion/index.html

Personally I do not object to paying to access the tunnel (if I am going that way I would usually be in the car at any rate). I do, however, object to the way in which it is being handled and the same "divide and rule" tactics as ACC - separating "motorcyclists" from "regular motorists". Makes me feel a little like chopped liver considering (like most of us), I have a code 1 licence as well as my code 6! I am regular when in the car and completely odd/nuts/irregular (

) on the bike?

So, clearly the government has seen there are savings to be made riding a bike over driving a 4x4 and cannot face that there could be some money out there being spent by the populace instead of one them, so be prepared for those savings to be sucked up into every .govt agency that can find a way to take a shot at the Easy Targets!

Submissions on the Gateway charge close on November 27 - get yours in SOON!

**AllanB** · 18th November 2009, 14:46

No reason at all why motorcycles should not pay - after all it is a TOLL road. You can debate the amount you have to pay (2 wheels half the car payment?) but the argument of inconvenience due to gear is irrelevant as you may prepay or pay online in arrears. And don't start the bikes are better for the enviroment crap - when's the last time you ever heard someone purchase a motorcycle for that reason?

Don't lets get too precious now, although some believe God rides a Harley, Joe Public will quickly drop any anti ACC support they have for us if we start expecting special treatment.