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  1. #16
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    27th April 2008 - 17:48
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    I would suggest that you look at the jetting and using good oil like Motul. If the jetting is standard and you are using decent oil then you could try and adjust the jetting and air screw.

    As for changing the oil ratio be carefull with this. I have always been told by our local (very good) dirt bike mechanics to always run the manufacturers oil/fuel ratio and to change other things to stop fouling. I have just re-done a piston on someones bike that was only around 15-20 hours old. They were running a richer mixer (more fuel in ratio) than manufacturer had said. The piston was burnt right through, had burn marks around the outside of the piston and underneath the piston (where the pin goes through). There was also scratch and scrap damage done to the piston and the cylinder bore and slight burn damage done to the crank. Luckily we only had to replace the piston and give the cylinder a hone, but this was very lucky. Was just about new or re-sleeved bore, new crank and new piston to be done.

    On the flip side I also know of people who do use different ratio's with no problem, suppose it depends on the rider.

    Another option is to change your spark plug to a standard instead of racing plug, the standard have more tolerance to oil before getting oiled up.

    My 5 cents worth anyway.

  2. #17
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    3rd February 2008 - 21:34
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    Out of interest I looked at a few spec's for the yz250 (these are 2006).
    Compression ratio is higher than I thought they would be.


    Engine type Liquid cooled 2-stroke, gasoline
    Cylinder arrangement Single cylinder, forward inclined
    Displacement 249 cm³ (8.76 lmp oz, 8.42 US oz)
    Bore × Stroke 66.4 × 72 mm (2.614 × 2.835 in)
    Compression ratio 9.2~10.9 : 1 (For USA and CDN)
    8.9~10.6 : 1 (For EUROPE, AUS, NZ and ZA)
    Starting system Kick starter
    Lubrication system Premix (30 : 1)( Yamalube 2-R)
    Transmission oil Yamalube 4 (10W-30) or SAE 10W-30 type SE motor oil
    Periodic oil change 0.75 L (0.66 Imp qt, 0.79 US qt)
    Total amount 0.80 L (0.70 Imp qt, 0.85 US qt)
    Air filter Wet type element
    Fuel type Premium unleaded gasoline only with a research octane number of 95 or higher
    Tank capacity 8.0 L (1.76 Imp gal, 2.11 US gal)
    Carburetor Type/ Manufacturer PWK38S/KEIHIN
    Spark plug Type/Manufacturer BR8EG/NGK (resistance type)
    Spark plug gap 0.5~0.6 mm (0.020~0.024 in)
    Clutch type Wet, multiple-disc

  3. #18
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    10th May 2006 - 16:37
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    Well if he's only ever had 4t's he probably just needs to adjust his riding style?

    Rev it, keep it in the power band etc. Try riding it a gear lower than if you were on your 4t.

    Assuming the jetting etc is all sweet of course.

  4. #19
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    Had a guy a work who brought brand new KAWA 2T had exactly the same problem, went back and forth from the bike shop trying to sort it, changed to MOTUL problem disappeared. wierd...
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  5. #20
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    is it splutering off the bottom end?

  6. #21
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    26th July 2007 - 10:59
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    Cheers for the help fellas..........all sorted.Went to Thunder X yesterday and sorted it out...we think he was mixing too much oil,he had 250ml in 8 litres....spoke to a fella there on a YZ 2 pinga and he said put 20-25 mls per one litre......done that and the rocket was away............he was a happy man.Can't believe how light it is,got blown over by the wind twice

  7. #22
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    3rd February 2008 - 21:34
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    Sounds like 50:1 to me, which is what I run with sythetic oil on my gasgas (as per the manf). 20ml per liter is 50:1.

    For 32:1 he was right with 250ml per 8 liters.

    http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html

  8. #23
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    24th August 2008 - 16:26
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    lol it was a cr250 me with the sore hand nice bikes like watching you guys

  9. #24
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    26th July 2007 - 10:59
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt119 View Post
    lol it was a cr250 me with the sore hand nice bikes like watching you guys
    Were you in the van up the top mate?......my mate with the 2 smoker said he asked you.....i was on the K-waka and spoke to a guy down in the bottom carpark............glad he got it sorted tho.....he was starting to regret his purchase but he's happy as a pig in s##t now.....was a bit of fun up there alright with not many kids around

  10. #25
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    24th August 2008 - 16:26
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    ya your little guy was grate to watch he was going really well and ya that new yz looked like alot of fun guy said it was light as

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