Great news - Maori only beaches in NZ

[Tank]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10552478

To the social scientists and racist [why are most of you from the south island?] best to check this article before you spout more shite

hmm - yes - we will all have access etc etc. Easy to say that before they get the rights.

Example - The Tribe that control the "Waikato" river. Farmers have had access for years. Now they need to ask permission from the tribe.

I know of farmers who have been asked to give "koha" (love) (oh and tax free) payments to retain the rights they had for years. Often this is in the many, many thousands of dollars.

So they have to find the money - or lose their farm.

I'm all for addressing wrongs as best as possible - but I also believe in enshrining rights for all NZ'ers to access the beach. If beaches can be closed - lets make it a max of (say) 5 days a year - not 50 where they can close them for all of summer.

I also believe that they should do the same as in the UK where any crime that is race based gets triple punishment - ie: Assault someone and the 'time' is say 2 years. Assault someone calling them nigger or white bastard - max time is 6 years.

Attacking someone for the colour of their skin is a sad, sad, sad thing.

[Indiana_Jones]

Well generally racism is conisidered as white folk against blacks...reverse racism is blacks v white folk...or genocide...

How does reserve rape and reserve assault work?

-Indy

[MSTRS:Me]

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[MSTRS:Me]

hmm - yes - we will all have access etc etc. Easy to say that before they get the rights.

Example - The Tribe that control the "Waikato" river. Farmers have had access for years. Now they need to ask permission from the tribe.

It's called 'give an inch...'

[Grahameeboy]

How does reserve rape and reserve assault work?

-Indy

Guess you always need a 'reserve'.....

[Headbanger]

see the link now ...


Stephen

Nope.

Back to the beach.

[ManDownUnder]

How does reserve rape and reserve assault work?

-Indy

Exactly as you would expect them to. She rapes him - it's a crime, and common assault (as opposed to Male Assault Female).

Back to the topic at hand though... ironic they're white sand beaches innit?

[Naki Rat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4822522a11.html

>>"Our custom in this country has been that the average New Zealander can enjoy a picnic lunch on the beach and take an appropriate and reasonable proportion of seafood - that's not a major issue," she
told the newspaper.
But in some situations it may not be appropriate for a camper van to park up at a wahi tapu site, she said.<<

Drunk people sitting and standing all over the graves in Wanganui on Boxing Day is not really appropiate either but it happens, and everybody pretty much gets over it and gets on with their lives.

Move on from your stone age beliefs people.

[jonbuoy]

Its 2009 not 1863 the american civil war is over -we have running hot water, cars, aeroplanes, TV, the internet we've been to the moon been through two world wars and we nearly all got wiped out in the cold war - move with the times people. This is embarrasing for NZ to still be dealing with the treaty, draw a line and move on.

[Quasievil]

Example - The Tribe that control the "Waikato" river. Farmers have had access for years. Now they need to ask permission from the tribe.

Good, its never been cleaner.

[MIXONE]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10552478

To the social scientists and racist [why are most of you from the south island?] best to check this article before you spout more shite

LMAO whiteboy but you should try going to Matauri Bay for a look around and you'll see racism first hand.

[Owl]

I also believe that they should do the same as in the UK where any crime that is race based gets triple punishment - ie: Assault someone and the 'time' is say 2 years. Assault someone calling them nigger or white bastard - max time is 6 years.

I have a serious issue with this Tank and I'll explain why!

Your example describes "assault" with name calling! This is not necessarily race based and the assault could have started over a game of pool. See where I’m going?

Let’s cut the word “nigger” and even things up! We’ll say “Black bastard” and “White bastard”. Being called either of these is an acknowledgement of difference and could in fact be very accurate. I do take exception to the word bastard in my case, as it’s not true, but I am however white!

Racism to me is about ignorance, a lack of acknowledgement, acceptance and understanding! Pretending we are all the same and all one people is just PC bullshit and the cause of the problem! Races are different and have very different needs!

Rant over and you can go back to doing whatever it was you were doing Tank. Setting fire to cats perhaps?

Attacking someone for the colour of their skin is a sad, sad, sad thing.

Agreed!

[Ixion]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10552478

To the social scientists and racist [why are most of you from the south island?] best to check this article before you spout more shite

The article changes nothing. That is just someone saying "Oh, yes, we are demanding the right to ban everyone from the beaches, but don't worry , we won't really do it, honest we won't"

I never believe people who go to great lengths to demand some power or privilege and claim that they will never invoke it. If they never intend to do it, why demand the right to do it.

[Disco Dan]

So let me get this straight...

Maoris arrived to NZ, ate the people already here and claimed they owned everything. Then British arrived, maoris signed over everything to them and now they have changed their minds. Now for (almost) revenge like reasons they are using racial loopholes to get rights back to land just so they can put up a sign saying it's sacred?

I'm not buying it. If they get the rights to the land, they will not stop at a couple of signs saying "sacred - please be nice".

At the end of the day it is all about control. Blatant racism.

[ManDownUnder]

Drunk people sitting and standing all over the graves in Wanganui on Boxing Day is not really appropiate either but it happens, and everybody pretty much gets over it and gets on with their lives.

Move on from your stone age beliefs people.

Agreed on the first part, but I'd prefer a little mutual respect. No standing on graves, and a reciprocal respect of the Maori Sacred land. Start with that and try to resolve things as adults - rather than as conflict through the courts etc.