Coppers and traffic enforcment

[Clockwork]

You might be onto something here.
I might try this with my bike - wheels in the wardrobe, fuel tank in the bath, handle bars in the cutlery drawer etc. etc. & see if my insurance premium goes down.

For God's sake! Don't publish this in an open forum. The next think you know it will become a mandatary requirement for a policy.

[limmy]

On the Saturday just gone, my inlaws had a visit to their home from some undesirables, ie. burglars/theieves. They were out thankfully. They stole 4x firearms, guns, that is all they took. The inlaws were only out for 2 hours, so the mongrels were probably watching and waiting.
The police were rung immediately the theft was discovered, they were told that no police were available at this time, they were all out doing fucken traffic duty. Apparently someone will visit this morning.
Now, you would think that the theft of guns would ring little alarm bells and the cops would be onto it as quick as possible. Its a reasonable asumption that the theives arent members of the local gun club, and are going to use the guns for unlawful activities.
But on the other side of the coin, the cops apprehended joe public doing 4 km's over the speed limit down the road, and saved hundreds of lives.

it pisses me off infinitely when i hear stuff like that happen. But at the same time you kinda wonder is it the dispatchers fault? Cause obviously the guys out on duty aren't the people that are answering your calls. I say this only because in my experience talking to these phone operator type people can sometimes feel like u're talking to a robot and robots dont' really think....they just do.

Which makes me think maybe there's something wrong with process and policies at the police call centres. I would imagine that these people at the call centre should be logging their calls on a computer somewhere. And in one of those little text box will be a description of the call. You would imagine that in this instance one of the words entered as a description would be "fireaarms" or something to that effect AND you would think that this would trigger some sort of alarm.

Anyway...i'm rambling. But I think your inlaws should file a complain and they can use the recording of the phone call as proof of the operators incompetency.

[scumdog]

Anyway...i'm rambling. But I think your inlaws should file a complain and they can use the recording of the phone call as proof of the operators incompetency.

And how did this "incompetency" negatively affect the outcome?

[Stevo]

Were your inlaws hunters or just real keen on their weapons? All guns are good guns (well mostly). Generally the nut behind the bolt that is the major problem!

I know many a target rifle shooter round U Hutt so hope it wasn't one of them!

[crunch]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!!


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?

[spudchucka]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!!


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?

7 cops! Lucky you.

[jrandom]

The guns were all in seperate parts of the house and shed out back. the bolts were all hidden in different places as was the ammunition.

Were they actually locked up, and if so, how?

It's just dumb to leave guns lying around, even if they're "hidden", to be taken without at least 20 minutes or so of work with screwdrivers and crowbars. They'll always be right up there with compact electronics and cash as the most desirably nickable things you have in the house.

[scumdog]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!!


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?

The first three were virtually unpreventable, the 4th YOU could have prevented.

[Biff]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!!


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?

Seems a bit odd that you complain that the cops weren't quick enough to respond when someone else broke the law, yet you complain when you get caught breaking the law.

It kind of begs the question, which was the most serious offence of the ones you've listed? Theft from a car is relatively trivial (in the given examples) and it could also be argued that your crime was more serious as you may have caused an accident.

The housebreak example stinks. That's just bad management of policing, not bad policing in itself. Inadequate resource and/or poor resource management would be to blame here, and police officers in general can hardly be held accountable for this. This is a political and bureaucratic problem.

[idb]

Seems a bit odd that you complain that the cops weren't quick enough to respond when someone else was broke the law, yet you complain when you get caught breaking the law.

Pullleeaase!!
Did you forget to type PT at the bottom?

[Biff]

Pullleeaase!!
Did you forget to type PT at the bottom?

Nope. A law is a law, as much as we think that some laws are an ass. Although it does sound a bit harsh to get ticketed for running a yellow light. But insinuating that you shouldn’t get ticketed for one crime, or the police shouldn't stop you for one crime, but do so for others is absurd. A crime is a crime.

What I mean by what I said is, if you commit a crime expect to get caught, that way you won't get a surprise if and when a cop does catch you.

[idb]

So you would feel OK about it if you got ticketted racing to the Police Station to tell them that your family was being held at gunpoint in a home invasion?
The law is the law.

Maybe a global perspective would confirm that law enforcement resources and attention are being shared appropriately but an individual is always going to relate to their personal experiences.

Hmmmm...In fact - without wanting to open the whole 'police are bastards/good guys/just doing a job' discussion on this thread, maybe that is the whole problem with that discussion.

Some are debating on a global level (the police are just doing their job, having to deal with arseholes on our behalf, speed kills and anything that slows people down is good, NZers are shocking drivers, there isn't enough money allocated to the cops) and others are talking on a personal level (I got nailed for running a yellow light after an unsatisfactory response for my burglaries, I got pulled over for 112ks by a complete prick, I got let off for 121ks with a warning, I've seen cops doing things to friends & relatives of mine that you wouldn't believe [WHINJA..I'm looking at you]).
They are two completely different perspectives and no resolution or agreement could ever be reached.

Am I making any sense?
Anyway - I'll throw it out there.

Gosh, I think I've just expressed an opinion requiring independent thought?
Mother will be so proud
Mother.....muuuuuutherrrr....!!!!!
Come and look what I done!

[scumdog]

Does EVERYBODY else at the various business that you guys on the site go to give you THAT much better a service than Police or what?- and if these businesses gave you a bad deal did you report it on this site?
Never had a bum deal off them in my life (except when I have to work the weekend of a rally)
I've had my odd run in with them but excepting one experience in the last 24 years they have all been more than reasonable.

Is it just they are easy 'targets'?

Or is it SOME KBers have a chip on their shoulder about them?

[750Y]

Yes, rather tend to agree, burg in progress would have had a different result in response I suspect.

...whatever! the reality is far different in Auckland i'm afraid. i've tried that & they despatched a car to howick from papakura which is over half an hour away(in nz biggest city!?) what a joke! but fear not people!... officer issued traffic infringements have increased almost 300% since 2000. I wish the money grabbers would leave the cops alone to let them get on with the real jobs.

[Indoo]

...whatever! the reality is far different in Auckland i'm afraid. i've tried that & they despatched a car to howick from papakura which is over half an hour away(in nz biggest city!?) what a joke! but fear not people!... officer issued traffic infringements have increased almost 300% since 2000. I wish the money grabbers would leave the cops alone to let them get on with the real jobs.

Oh wait, so they diverted a car directly to you out of its normal district to deal with your problem, and yet you still blame them for not caring?

And if there had been a so-called traffic car free you can guarantee they would have gone/been sent to that job also if they were close.

But of course its easier to make assumptions, after all isn't that what the herald on Sunday teaches you?