New boy racer legislation

[nodrog:Me]

.... I don't seem to have the necessary rights to modify the poll I started.

your rights have been taken off you, just like having the right to drive whatever you want.

[SPman]

Why restrict them to 1350cc non turbo cars? Better a "non high performance" vehicle, surely. And why 20? Is this to appease the "all teenagers are a threat to society" brigade, that seems prevalent in a lot of (older) people!
What about the majority of newer drivers who are responsible drivers? Or the younger enthusiasts who do have a sense of responsibility and are affected by "Boy Racers" just as much, through continual police harrassment, among other things. Throw them all into the same pot as the fuckwits and tar them with the same brush?
Some restrictions on vehicles when drivers are on L plates and under restricted licenses, yes, but once you have your full license I can see no reasonable excuse not to let them drive what they want - unless you bring in a system of "type ratings" for cars and apply it to ALL drivers.

Half of these dickheads probably haven't even got a license, anyway.......

[mark247]

All this sounds too complex. Why doesnt the government just knock down a bit of Gore, concrete in a skid pad, and let them go there. All fixed.

[DarkLord]

Then it wouldn't be as much fun for them, because it's legal.

[Tony]

just to pur some more diesel on the fire...

Here's how well the Scottish experiment is going that Judith Collins and John key is quoting as the solution model.

Scottish police gained their new powers on the 17/3/05.
ref https://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Rel...05/03/17101429

The rules allowed them to issue a Cease and Deisist notice (think of it as yellow card - One warning and then they get serious)

Gettting serious can mean as well as new increased fines the car is seized and if you don't pay the fines the car is scrapped.

Or the police can also issue you with a $40 infringement notice for anti social behaviour. The police don't need to prove a case before fineing you. Being able to issue an infringement notice for anti social behaviour means the onus is then on you to defend it just like a speeding ticket.


They have also removed your ability to appeal the infringement notice. All this saves on paper work.

And look what happens when you do try to appeal it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4916556.stm

At first glance the anti-congregating/anti-social laws appear to make sense and as long as the police just target the boy racers it won't effect me?

Of course because it's the same law for everyone there are some people suprised that they are getting caught out by the law for congregating in their cars but apparently not breaking other laws. See the end of this link where the safety campaigner Grant Butler who supported the legislation got caught by the same law and now risks loosing his car.

ref: http://www.kilmarnockstandard.co.uk/...1430-22394355/

Will these laws affect the Jaguar owners club, the Fiat car club, the ATNR, Ulysses and other group rides?

Have the Scottish police solved their boy racer problem?

Google search "scotland scottish boy racers" at www.google.co.uk

How do you define anti-social behaviour?
When you give laws to police for arbitary and discretionary use and allow them to make summary judgement you are putting them in a very difficult judgement position. Different officers will make their best but different judgements and we may not all like all the results.

[nodrog:Me]

i reckon everything should be made illegal, and if you want to do something without getting fined, you need to produce a note from your mum.

who pays the finance companies when their cars get crushed?

[Scouse]

i reckon everything should be made illegal, and if you want to do something without getting fined, you need to produce a note from your mum.

who pays the finance companies when their cars get crushed?

your mum....

[nodrog:Me]

your mum....

like fuck she would, and like fuck i would if i was a 16 year old fuckwit (again)

[Max Preload]

That all seems like the perfect precursor to a Police State. I'm certainly not interested in living under such a regime for the sake of a few louts.

[Wingnut]

Please people let's have no more disagreement on my proposed law changes.

Whatever - a 12 gauge is a workable solution tony.............

[Skyryder]

I wouldn't fuck Collins even if she's the last woman on earth let alone vote for her.

Tony ya gota be better looking and more intelligent. Let's meet.


Skyryder

[Pedrostt500]

i reckon everything should be made illegal, and if you want to do something without getting fined, you need to produce a note from your mum.

who pays the finance companies when their cars get crushed?

Ah so you are a beliver in that every one should have to sit at a table with hands on table not allowed to speak or move, then there is a possibility that person sat at table might not be doing any thing ileagal.

[CheeseWeeder]

This problem should have been more aggressively addressed a long time ago, now we see what happens when people sit with their heads up their asses for too long. Police didn't show a strong enough or positive presence, now they don't get any respect from the public and here is our problem.

[Howsie]

Bringing in subjective laws will not help the current situation. Lots of us have already experienced the judgements of our boys in blue and found many to be lacking common sense and its even worse if you get them on a bad day. I do believe that a complete overhaul of the justice system and traffic laws is needed to clear up grey areas and remove confusion.

Officers discretion comes in as many colours as the sky and is like playing russian roulette. I am thinking of the car enthusiast who does everything right, legal car all certified etc drives past a cop having a bad day and looses his car (potentially crushed) just because he looks like a "boy racer" or he "took off too fast" and other subjective bullshit laws they have made in the past.

All you need to do is look at Ixions post about the Buslanes. Something so simple yet has complete confusion around it because there are so many exemptions etc.

Whats with labelling "boy racers" as "young"? I see just as many old farts driving modded cars as young guys/girls and quite often they drive worse because they are trying to reclaim their youth in some fashion, or having a mid life crisis and they couldnt afford the convertible!

This country is going to the dogs

[CheeseWeeder]

Totally agree.