So, a rozza enters my home...

**Tank** · 6th February 2009, 07:52

Originally Posted by Skyryder

I generaly have a pretty healthy respect for the boys in blue as a whole but there seems to be an arrogant attitude developing amongst some members of the police in that now they just blatently lie and refuse to respect the wishes of the landowners.

This

About ten minutes before Mr Key's arrival this morning two undercover police officers were busted by Marae security staff for posing as tourists.

The officers went on to claim they were media, before eventually confessing to their true identities when Mare staff threatened to confiscate a camera being carried by one of the officers.

A debate, witnessed by Stuff.co.nz, then began between the two police officers concerned, an additional three officers and Marae staff.

The situation was eventually resolved when police put their camera away.

It's understood the Marae had earlier requested that police did not to come onto the grounds.from http://www.stuff.co.nz/4838870a11.html

Skyryder

Yeah because it would be smarter to leave JK there without any security. FFS - he was grabbed within seconds of getting out of the car.

Other politicians have been assaulted on the lower Marae on several occasions.

And you think its bad to have police there in a low profile - just because they dont want cops there.

Wake up and get into the real world.

Next Hells Angles will put up a sign saying no Cops allowed and you would be against them being raided because its against their wishes also.

**tri boy** · 6th February 2009, 08:04

I will contact a family friend who is a very experienced criminal lawyer for his opinion on whether a complaint is worth while.
I'm not interested in hurting the young rozza record, as I think he just didn't realise when to back off. (some local waikato bros will educate him on that I'm sure).
I ever memorised his ID#, so it would be a dead call anyway.
Tis a fine line between being keen and thorough, and offending joe public.
Good luck to him.

**Oscar** · 6th February 2009, 09:32

Originally Posted by FJRider

To impede an officer of the Law, in the execution of his duties, still is.... I believe, against the law....

Jesus Christ, you'd make a good German, wouldn't you?
A policeman has no right to walk into your house unless invited, has a warrant or if he thinks a serious crime has been committed. The fact that this learner dickhead walked away means he had no legal justification for what is in fact trespass.

**jrandom** · 6th February 2009, 09:50

Originally Posted by vifferman

prostrate cancer

Good lord, that sounds fearsome. I shall make a note to myself to remain upright at all times.

**tri boy** · 6th February 2009, 10:26

Well, more of a request for clarification on police entering private residences.
I will wait and see what responce I get from the complaints authority.
The young officer need not be concerned about being ID'ed, as I didn't recall his #, but hopefully clarification on entry to private homes can be sorted out for him, and myself.

**ynot slow** · 6th February 2009, 10:33

We had a booze bus park part way over our drive way a few years ago,they were getting the locals from the club after the weekly draw,we walked home and thought cool just as well we didn't drive(100mts)to the club.Stoopid thing was they were setting up at 8.00pm,the draw was 6.00ish and those who didn't win had gone straight away,they were the ones arriving say 4.30 and having 3-5 pints and be over.Those who were still there were getting taxis or wife to pick up.

Head orificer was a tad peeved when I asked can you shift please the drive is partly blocked,his reply was are you going out,nope I said had a few beers and not that dumb to drive.But said we have friends coming around who need to get up our drive as they were bringing takeaways and donuts,cop then asked will they be drinking,nope I told them you guys were parked OVER my drive.He didn't see the humour in my comments,and the guy didn't drink when oncall,his wife was pretty pissed though.

**Skyryder** · 6th February 2009, 15:55

Originally Posted by Tank

Yeah because it would be smarter to leave JK there without any security. FFS - he was grabbed within seconds of getting out of the car.

Other politicians have been assaulted on the lower Marae on several occasions.

And you think its bad to have police there in a low profile - just because they dont want cops there.

Wake up and get into the real world.

Next Hells Angles will put up a sign saying no Cops allowed and you would be against them being raided because its against their wishes also.

The PM will always have his Police escort wherever he goes that is a fact of life if you ever invite him to a function but these guys with the camera's not only lied to their hosts but displayed an appalling lack of manners by taking no notice of their hosts request. They were there in a spying capacity. That in my book is gross act of respect as a guest.

As for your Hells Angels comments.............just plain ol' crass and has no bearing on this.
Skyryder

**pritch** · 6th February 2009, 19:42

Originally Posted by Skyryder

The PM will always have his Police escort wherever he goes

My understanding is that they aren't all Police either. Some are rather more ummm dangerous(?).

**DougB** · 6th February 2009, 20:19

It was a stupid piece of legislation that disbanded the traffic cop force and gave their work to the police. I feel most of the disrespect the police earn is through pointless money earning traffic enforcement.

In the 'good old days' we could hate the traffic cops and still have respect for the police.

**Skyryder** · 6th February 2009, 20:52

Originally Posted by pritch

My understanding is that they aren't all Police either. Some are rather more ummm dangerous(?).

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/diplomatic/

Skyryder

**pritch** · 7th February 2009, 06:33

Originally Posted by Skyryder

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/diplomatic/

Interesting, but possibly incomplete?

**DEATH_INC.** · 7th February 2009, 06:57

Lodge the complaint. The police are NOT the law, they enforce it. They must stick to the rules like the rest of us.

**Tank** · 7th February 2009, 09:57

Originally Posted by Skyryder

The PM will always have his Police escort wherever he goes that is a fact of life if you ever invite him to a function but these guys with the camera's not only lied to their hosts but displayed an appalling lack of manners by taking no notice of their hosts request. They were there in a spying capacity. That in my book is gross act of respect as a guest.

As for your Hells Angels comments.............just plain ol' crass and has no bearing on this.
Skyryder

Perhaps when the Maori at Waitangi can put on a day when the Politicians can attend without any fear of being attached then the nations PM can attend without police in attendance.

BUT as it stands - they cannot - and to suggest otherwise is naivety in the extreme.

Perhaps they need to look at themselves and their own people before having a go at the PM and his protection squad.

At least they attempted to blend in.

If they dont like the rules of having the PM there - then dont invite him.

edit - and the Hells Angles comments are perfectly valid - Just because its a Marae dosn't mean that they is nobody there who isn't of a criminal persuasion.

**Ixion** · 7th February 2009, 15:08

Originally Posted by Tank

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edit - and the Hells Angles comments are perfectly valid - Just because its a Marae dosn't mean that they is nobody there who isn't of a criminal persuasion.

Non angli, sed Angeli.

Sorry. Couldn't resist it.

**Swoop** · 7th February 2009, 15:28

Originally Posted by Skyryder

The PM will always have his Police escort wherever he goes that is a fact of life if you ever invite him to a function but these guys with the camera's not only lied to their hosts but displayed an appalling lack of manners by taking no notice of their hosts request. They were there in a spying capacity. That in my book is gross act of respect as a guest.

I guess that never happened when the "bitch from hell" was in the PM's chair?