Xtra's at it again, using a proxy to get into KB

[Ixion]

Hi Ixion...

Please can you redo the traceroutes again... I work for an ISP and just interested in seeing if there are any difference now that Telescum are working

Discotex is right... there is no such thing as guarantee's on the internet once the traffic has passed your service providers network.

Red is Telecom last night
Green is Vodafone (last night and now, no change)
Blue is Telecom now

Interestingly the two Telecom routes are quite different once the locla bit is passed.



C:\>tracert 216.237.127.134

Tracing route to 216-237-127-134.infortech.net [216.237.127.134]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.10.10.1
2 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms 219-89-54-1.adsl.xtra.co.nz [219.89.54.1]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 43 ms 48 ms 41 ms xe6-0-0-10.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.2
44.221]
5 41 ms 46 ms 45 ms xe0-0-0-2.akbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.23
2.77]
6 45 ms 46 ms 48 ms so1-1-1.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.
194]
7 186 ms * 168 ms so0-3-1.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
254]
8 168 ms 182 ms 188 ms so0-0-1.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
98]
9 186 ms 187 ms 185 ms gi1-13.mpd01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.12
.141]
10 191 ms 186 ms 186 ms te4-2.mpd02.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.1
89]
11 187 ms 195 ms 187 ms te9-3.mpd01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.25.
190]
12 188 ms 186 ms 186 ms te4-3.mpd01.sjc05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.7
4]
13 359 ms 197 ms 216 ms infortech-corp.demarc.cogentco.com [38.104.134.5
0]
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * ^C
C:\>tracert 216.237.127.134

Tracing route to 216-237-127-134.infortech.net [216.237.127.134]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 353 ms 369 ms 409 ms 172.26.74.38
2 99 ms 99 ms 129 ms 172.26.66.91
3 112 ms 129 ms 119 ms 172.26.65.124
4 100 ms 129 ms 109 ms 172.26.71.162
5 98 ms 109 ms 109 ms 172.26.65.188
6 106 ms 109 ms 109 ms 172.26.86.35
7 105 ms 119 ms 109 ms 172.26.86.66
8 102 ms 119 ms 119 ms gi3-13-1103.akl-sky-bdr1.ihug.net [203.109.143.2
2]
9 90 ms 129 ms 119 ms Gi15-2.gw1.akl1asianetcom.net [203.192.166.41]
10 257 ms 249 ms 239 ms po2-0.gw1.lax1.asianetcom.net [202.147.61.189]
11 234 ms 239 ms 269 ms po0-1-0.gw3.lax1.asianetcom.net [202.147.61.202]

12 273 ms 279 ms 269 ms 10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.lax1.he.net [216.218.
223.205]
13 249 ms 259 ms 259 ms 10gigabitethernet1-3.core1.pao1.he.net [72.52.92
.21]
14 234 ms 260 ms 248 ms 10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net [72.52.92
.113]
15 283 ms 279 ms 279 ms 64.62.133.170
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 488 ms 539 ms 569 ms 216-237-127-134.infortech.net [216.237.127.134]


Trace complete.

C:\>

C:\>tracert 216.237.127.134

Tracing route to 216-237-127-134.infortech.net [216.237.127.134]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.10.10.1
2 49 ms 43 ms 45 ms 219-89-54-1.adsl.xtra.co.nz [219.89.54.1]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 43 ms 55 ms 40 ms xe6-0-0-10.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.2
44.221]
5 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms xe0-0-0-2.akbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.23
2.77]
6 43 ms 46 ms 46 ms so1-1-1.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.
194]
7 * 236 ms 186 ms so0-1-1.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.
78]
8 182 ms 169 ms 166 ms so0-0-1.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
98]
9 188 ms 186 ms 185 ms gi1-3.mpd01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.13.
121]
10 195 ms 186 ms 187 ms te4-2.mpd02.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.1
89]
11 186 ms 187 ms 186 ms te9-3.mpd01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.25.
190]
12 188 ms 185 ms 186 ms te4-3.mpd01.sjc05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.7
4]
13 345 ms 219 ms 219 ms infortech-corp.demarc.cogentco.com [38.104.134.5
0]
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 189 ms 174 ms 175 ms 216-237-127-134.infortech.net [216.237.127.134]


Trace complete.

C:\>

[discotex]

Now, I pay the bike shop (or Telecom) for a service. I expect it to be provided.

...

Telecom have contracted to provide a service. They have failed to provide it. Whether that failure be of their own , or of their agents, is irrelevant to me, both in fact and in law. My contract is with them, I expect them to fulfill their obligations.

That's where your understanding of what you're contracting Telecom to provide is wrong. It is nothing like subcontracting. Do you honestly thing Telecom have contracts with the millions of other providers out there? Of course not. That's the internet mate. It's why it's great. It's also a PITA when it's broken.

When you pay an internet provider you are only paying for a connection to their *edge* of the internet. Not the end-to-end connections. You pay your ISP for the cables in their network. No more, no less. If you read the T&Cs of any ISP's contract you will find that the case.

Now don't get me wrong - Telecom do have issues within their sphere of control from time to time (that they are contracted to provide) and should be taken to order if those issues aren't sorted. Ditto for the many ISPs that have a worse service.

And of course no-one is forcing you to be with Telecom. The industry is truly consumer choice now so go where you feel you get the best service at a price you're happy to pay.

I totally agree with you Ixion

Much as it'd be nice if it worked that way it doesn't. It used to before the internet with things like CompuServe. You got a guarantee end-to-end, it cost you $20/hr and had about a millionth (if that) of the content available now. Oh yeah and you couldn't see content on the other competing networks.

Because one company owned the network sites KiwiBikers and YouTubes of the world weren't allowed either. The guy with the network had all the power and got all the cash.

Thankfully the internet broke the power of the networks to control everything and now it's a free-for-all.

[imdying]

That's where your understanding of what you're contracting Telecom to provide is wrong.

I hate to say it Ixion, but he's correct... go and look what you contracted them to supply; a million bucks says your contract doesn't specify consistently reliable access to every node on the internet. Cause, you know, that's impossible and all.

[tide]

Red is Telecom last night
Green is Vodafone (last night and now, no change)
Blue is Telecom now

Interestingly the two Telecom routes are quite different once the locla bit is passed.

Hi... having a look at the traceroutes you sent... the vodaphone one is just fine as is the start of the two telecom ones, the break come at the connection between Cogetnco and Infortech, why or what that problem is who knows... could be congestion, a break in peering policy (the process where ISP advertise there IP address space to each other), or problem with the physical connection. As discotex says telecom has no control over their network what so ever... as smaller boteque provider might contact Cogentco and request them to have a look at the problem with out expection, but telecom is too big to be able to chase every problem out there...

As for the differences between the routes between telecom and vodaphone, they use different internation providers, Global Gateway and Asianetcom(PACNET) respectively and inturn they have different peering agreements with there upstream and downstream connections... it is the internet.

That's where your understanding of what you're contracting Telecom to provide is wrong. It is nothing like subcontracting. Do you honestly thing Telecom have contracts with the millions of other providers out there? Of course not. That's the internet mate. It's why it's great. It's also a PITA when it's broken.

When you pay an internet provider you are only paying for a connection to their *edge* of the internet. Not the end-to-end connections. You pay your ISP for the cables in their network. No more, no less. If you read the T&Cs of any ISP's contract you will find that the case.

Now don't get me wrong - Telecom do have issues within their sphere of control from time to time (that they are contracted to provide) and should be taken to order if those issues aren't sorted. Ditto for the many ISPs that have a worse service.

And of course no-one is forcing you to be with Telecom. The industry is truly consumer choice now so go where you feel you get the best service at a price you're happy to pay.

Agreed... I am quite surprised the number of people that don't shop around and just go to telecom with out having a look at what is out there...

[Taz]

I couldn't get on for a time so I went for a ride, mowed the lawn, played with the kids, did the dishes, and serviced the wife. Life without KB aint that bad.