Mark Lundy - miscarriage of justice?

[Winston001]

Anybody read the North and Saouth article just out? I'm always a bit sus about journalists investigating cases after the trial but sometimes difficult questions arise.

In this case there is one fundamental fact which the prosecution never proved - Mark Lundy's high speed journey from Petone -> Palmerston North -> Petone in 3 hours. Beginning in peak hour traffic. Parking and running 500m, brutally murdering his wife and daughter, grabbing a jewellery box, and running back 500m to the car. All completed in 3 hours.

The police could not duplicate this journey. They did drive fast times outside peak traffic but even then, no time remained to carry out the murders.

[Oscar]

Anybody read the North and Saouth article just out? I'm always a bit sus about journalists investigating cases after the trial but sometimes difficult questions arise.

In this case there is one fundamental fact which the prosecution never proved - Mark Lundy's high speed journey from Petone -> Palmerston North -> Petone in 3 hours. Beginning in peak hour traffic. Parking and running 500m, brutally murdering his wife and daughter, grabbing a jewellery box, and running back 500m to the car. All completed in 3 hours.

The police could not duplicate this journey. They did drive fast times outside peak traffic but even then, no time remained to carry out the murders.

Yeah, I read that.
As well as the driving time, the crown had a very suspect witness.
Some little old lady, who swore she saw Lundy running by in the twilight dressed as a woman.
The same old Dear later wrote to the local newspaper, thanking the folks at the hospital after her eye operation, and saying as how she'd been blind as a bat for 60 years...

[Maha]

He still did it... how? only he knows I guess. Probably thought for a while that he had got away with it but, in my opinion, the Police have the right man in this case.

[Oscar]

He still did it... how? only he knows I guess. Probabaly thought for a while that he had got away with it but, in my opinion, the Police have the right man in this case.

I dunno, it looks awfully like the police only ever had one suspect and the case was gonna fit him.

Not the first time they've done that.

[Murray]

He still did it... how? only he knows I guess. Probably thought for a while that he had got away with it but, in my opinion, the Police have the right man in this case.

And what leads you to that conclusion???? Also of note no blood found in the car or any clothes between the house and the where car was supposed to be, yet blood was splattered all over the scene??

I think the police have got the man they"think" did it, and made sure of it. Wisps of Scott Watson me thinks.

[mdnzz]

Arthur Allan Thomas, Peter Ellise? Not saying they stitched Lundy up, but mistakes have been made before and will continue too, they are only human and prone to emotions

[Maha]

I dunno, it looks awfully like the police only ever had one suspect and the case was gonna fit him.

Not the first time they've done that.

You are absolutely right... Thomas/Dougherty etc but...take Watson and Tamahere, now theres two case's that have me in two minds. I really feel that Tamahere killed the Swedes but theres evidence to suggest otherwise. The watch being one, so what if he had their car, makes him a thief not killer.

Watson?.... mmm yeah, dont beleive he's guilty of murder, based on the evidence that has come to light after the fact.

Lundy though....I personally beleive he killed his wife and daughter.
They will need more that a 'time frame' to convince me that he is not.

[Ixion]

Yes. I looked at that distance at the time. And thought "Would a smart man arrange a crime where his alibi depended not only on driving at an average speed that would be VERY difficult to maintain let alone guarantee. But which would also ensure that any cop that saw you would stop you - and then your alibi is toast". Be one HELL of a risk to run.

[Clivoris]

I've always been very suspect of the time they reckon it took to drive to the crime and back again. There is no way someone could have managed that without drawing some serious attention. We never heard about any members of the public saying they remembered being passed at speed. He would have had to hit some big speed on the open road to make up for getting out of town traffic.

[Maha]

Yes. I looked at that distance at the time. And thought "Would a smart man arrange a crime where his alibi depended not only on driving at an average speed that would be VERY difficult to maintain let alone guarantee. But which would also ensure that any cop that saw you would stop you - and then your alibi is toast". Be one HELL of a risk to run.

I think that the police should look closer at his alibi....it is possible that he was not at Petone at all but in Palmerston North the whole time.

[Ixion]

Just so. And as the whole of it depended on no-one knowing he'd driven it, it would have only taken a passing cop , or someone *555ing him, and he's done for. Improbable indeed. And I'd lay money that the cops tried VERY hard to find a witness who would say they saw him driving like a maniac. And, obviously, couldn't

[MSTRS:Me]

His behaviour during the period after being told and being arrested says he did it. Or arranged it to be done.

[Maha]

Just so. And as the whole of it depended on no-one knowing he'd driven it, it would have only taken a passing cop , or someone *555ing him, and he's done for. Improbable indeed. And I'd lay money that the cops tried VERY hard to find a witness who would say they saw him driving like a maniac. And, obviously, couldn't

Thats beacuse it probably did not happen.
Na the Poilce have the right man, they have got it wrong a few times over the years but Lundy (IMO) is where he should be.

The Thomas case?... there are those that firmly beleive Len Demler did it. I dont, I beleive he knew how the Crews died but he didnt kill them. My belief is that it was Murder/Suicide....Janette killed Harvey and a few days later, killed herself.

[Oscar]

I think that the police should look closer at his alibi....it is possible that he was not at Petone at all but in Palmerston North the whole time.

That would not surprise me at all (or the scenario where he pays someone to do it), but the cops couldn't prove it. As I said before, lately the cops seem to find a guy that must have done it, and then present the case to fit that theory.

[Murray]

Thats beacuse it probably did not happen.
Na the Poilce have the right man, they have got it wrong a few times over the years but Lundy (IMO) is where he should be.

You still have not stated why you are so strong in your beliefs. Is it because hes a fat middle aged man???