Tiresome DR vs KLR comparisons

[JATZ]

...and which side would you be on, pray tell?

The orange side or the dark side...?

Doesn't matter really.

He'd farkle it 'till it was un-recognisable

[Oscar]

Doesn't matter really.

He'd farkle it 'till it was un-recognisable

Not much to farkle on a KTM.
Lots on a BMW.

[BMWST?]

Well you are entitled to your opinion, but it is my opinion that this thread exists mainly for us to take the piss out of each other.
So far, it has only occasionally reached its objective, mainly because a topic that matters not one whit in the real world, regularly gets taken seriously.
Bugger!

thank you!

[NordieBoy]

...and which side would you be on, pray tell?

The orange side or the dark side...?

Right on the middle of the fence.






Staring lustfully at the KTM.

Buuuutttttt... An HP2...

[NordieBoy]

Not much to farkle on a KTM.

Wanna bet

[Oscar]

Wanna bet

My 950 has pipes, crash bars, luggage, heated grips and 2" risers.
Nothing else is needed.

Except maybe a high fender kit.


Oh, and a taller seat.

But that's it.

Except for maybes a couple of other leetle things.


One of the reasons I went orange is that it comes with the good stuff already fitted.

[Paladin]

......

One of the reasons I went orange is that it comes with the good stuff already fitted.

It wasn't free good stuff though was it. Whether you pay a much higher price to buy a KTM or buy a less expensive bike and then add the stuff OF YOUR CHOICE, what's the difference? You can still have a bike with lots of extras and farkles. Some might argue buying a more basic bike and then adding what you want makes for a more personalized bike maybe. I know a KTM owner will always argue that their bike in basic form would still be a better bike and they're probably right, but doesn't take away from the fact that anyone can have pretty much anything they want on their bike to make it what they want as an individual I would say. And some people get great enjoyment from developing their bike to become a personalized bike that is truly THEIR bike.
As with any of our friendly discussions(banter!) like DR vs KLR, it all just comes down to horses for courses does it not?

[warewolf]

One big difference is that the KTM and the good stuff is designed to work together, comes with complete documentation and consolidated support, and no bits left over afterwards.

My call was that I'd rather work at what I was good at to pay for factory farkles, partly because I'd rather ride than farkle. And I didn't want to try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear... been there, done that.

Just tonight I had a conversation with an engineer friend of mine (he's gonna sign up here and come riding, aren't you fellah?!) who wants to buy crash bars. He could make them himself, but why bother? Someone's already done all the development and has them made cost-effectively en masse. DIY people very, very rarely factor in their true expenses (esp. labour) at commercial rates which skews any cost comparisons, but equally DIY can be the most effective use of the resources available. Not everything has to come down to the almighty dollar, either: DIY is good for the soul.

To farkle or not to farkle: as you say, horses for courses, and fuck the world would be a boring place if we all rode the same thing, eh?

Finally re: personalisation. Most adventure farkles AFAIK are about fitting the bike to the rider and their particular uses, not to make it stand out in the crowd a la cruiser world. Personalising more for internal vs external satisfaction. What say you, farklers of the adv world?

[marks]

And I didn't want to try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear...

oh I don't know....

I'm having lots of fun on my farkled sows ear....

(man that banana can dance)

[Padmei]

Buuuutttttt... An HP2...

oh yeah - but they've discontinued them haven't they? How could they do that.??


Have to find one for the wall of coolness...

[Bass]

Finally re: personalisation. Most adventure farkles AFAIK are about fitting the bike to the rider and their particular uses, not to make it stand out in the crowd a la cruiser world. Personalising more for internal vs external satisfaction. What say you, farklers of the adv world?

Sounds like me to a "T"

[Oscar]

It wasn't free good stuff though was it. Whether you pay a much higher price to buy a KTM or buy a less expensive bike and then add the stuff OF YOUR CHOICE, what's the difference? You can still have a bike with lots of extras and farkles. Some might argue buying a more basic bike and then adding what you want makes for a more personalized bike maybe. I know a KTM owner will always argue that their bike in basic form would still be a better bike and they're probably right, but doesn't take away from the fact that anyone can have pretty much anything they want on their bike to make it what they want as an individual I would say. And some people get great enjoyment from developing their bike to become a personalized bike that is truly THEIR bike.
As with any of our friendly discussions(banter!) like DR vs KLR, it all just comes down to horses for courses does it not?

Sure, but as far as I can see: {Price of KTM} is equal to or less than {Price of Jap Equivalent + Farkles}.

[Paladin]

Sure, but as far as I can see: {Price of KTM} is equal to or less than {Price of Jap Equivalent + Farkles}.

KTM 990Adv $23k
KTM690E $17k

So hazard a guess 690Adv, if it ever arrives, could be $18-20k.

So if you buy a brand new '09 DR650 at $9000, its gonna cost more than $10k to farkle it!!!

You're welcome to your opinion Oscar, but that sounds a bit of a stretch to me!!!!

[Oscar]

KTM 990Adv $23k
KTM690E $17k

So hazard a guess 690Adv, if it ever arrives, could be $18-20k.

So if you buy a brand new '09 DR650 at $9000, its gonna cost more than $10k to farkle it!!!

You're welcome to your opinion Oscar, but that sounds a bit of a stretch to me!!!!

I was actually comparing KLR v. 640a.
If you up-spec a KLR to match the Adventure, you'd probably wind up spending more.

[warewolf]

So hazard a guess 690Adv, if it ever arrives, could be $18-20k.

So if you buy a brand new '09 DR650 at $9000

How many years' development difference between those two bikes? 20, 25 years?

A more valid comparison is a new-old DR650 at $9000 vs run-out specials on 640Es at $11,000. The DR loses out big time in that one, there's no way you could upgrade the frame, suspension & engine for $2K.