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    The next thing to catch bikes in the UK

    As if they didnt have enough speed cameras in the UK now they have this:
    Motorcycle detection system’ on roads by Easter
    By Steve Farrell

    Politics & the law

    17 February 2009 11:53


    A new surveillance system designed to track movements of motorcyclists on the roads will be operational by Easter, MCN can reveal.

    The technology can tell motorcycles apart from other vehicles, measure their speeds and will be able to read number plates under plans. Data such as the routes taken by individual motorcyclists along with time and date will be collected and kept even if they have committed no offence.

    The £100,000 project has prompted civil rights groups to express grave concerns about the potential for invasion of motorcyclists’ privacy.

    Speed camera bossed behind the scheme have named it the ‘motorcycle data project’ and the equipment a ‘motorcycle detection system’.

    It will scrutinise movements of motorcyclists in particular and be switched on to coincide with the start of the riding season in April, they say.

    The new surveillance system has been installed on eight routes in Derbyshire by the region’s speed camera partnership, including the popular Cat & Fiddle run on the A54 and A537 near Buxton.

    Under-road sensors already in place will distinguish motorcycles from other vehicles by their weight and width. Speed will be measured by timing their progress between two sensors a short distance apart. The system has been designed to work alongside Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) and video cameras.

    A spokeswoman for the scheme said knowing where riders were from would allow road safety ads to target key areas, for example through local newspapers.

    But Isabella Sankey, Director of Policy for the civil rights group Liberty, said: “The road to massive-scale real-time surveillance is paved with good intentions. We understand the safety issues involved but it rings alarm bells that this information may be used for targeted advertising campaigns.

    "We have no problem with ANPR being used to locate vehicles whose owners the police firmly suspect of having committed an offence but it shouldn't be used as a tool of mass surveillance.”

    The Derby and Derbyshire Road Safety Partnership said the aim was to “gather intelligence” to “prevent motorcycle casualties” through measures such as speed warning signs, extra police patrols and safer roadside barriers.

    Partnership manager Robert Hill said he hoped to add ANPR cameras in order to work out “how these vehicles are travelling around”.

    He said there were no plans to use the data for enforcement but admitted it could be used as evidence. “If the police are aware that it’s there then they would want to look at it and then obviously there are issues about whether they would want to use it as evidence,” he added.

    Hill said the eight routes had been chosen to target motorcyclists. “The data will be collected on all vehicles equally on those routes. However in terms of the analysis of that data we’re going to pay particular attention to motorcycles,” he said.

    “That’s why they’re on those routes. We haven’t got a traffic management issue on those routes with any other vehicles that we’re aware of.

    "Why they’ve gone there is because we know there’s a casualty problem with motorcycles on those routes.

    “There will be concerns about data collection but ultimately the data we are collecting on this project is around casualty reduction.”

    The system has been installed on the:
    • A5012 from Cromford to Ivonbrook Quarry
    • A621 from Baslow to Owler Bar
    • A57 Snake Pass from Glossop outskirts to Nether North Grain
    • B5035 from Ashbourne outskirts to Wirksworth
    • A515 from Ashbourne to Alsop-en-le-Dale
    • A6 Matlock Bath from High Peak Junction to Artist’s Corner
    • A54 and A537 Cat & Fiddle run from Buxton to Cat & Fiddle pub
    • A5004 Long Hill from Buxton to Fernilee

    Maps of all eight routes can be found in a ‘Bikers’ Guide’ printed by the council. Download it here.

    MCN first revealed plans for the new surveillance technology last year when a notice appeared in the Official Journal of the European Union inviting technology firms to bid for a contract to provide ‘automatic motorcycle detection equipment and associated services’.

    That notice also made clear that is should be possible for video cameras to be added. It said: ‘The Contract is for the supply of equipment and services in order to accurately detect motorcycles and to facilitate the automatic operation of Variable Message Signs (VMS), Video Data Capture (VDC) and a further potential option of Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR). A fundamental part of this project is the accurate detection of motorcyclists and the user defined triggering of VMS, VDC and ANPR.’

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    Quote Originally Posted by roy916
    The £100,000 project has prompted civil rights groups to express grave concerns about the potential for invasion of motorcyclists’ privacy.
    £100,000 project? Dude, I'm a project manager in an IT area. You aren't going to get a large amount of work for this kind of money.

    It's hardly passed the development stages. Long way off yet and logistically, I'd say its still in the "we'd like this but how the hell are we going to implement it".

    It will be interesting to see if the British government is willing to launch a major initiative on this based on it being a "safety initiative". I bet there are plans to use the data for enforcement.

    Britain certainly seems to be leading the way in Orwellian initiatives it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    £100,000 project? Dude, I'm a project manager in an IT area. You aren't going to get a large amount of work for this kind of money.

    It's hardly passed the development stages. Long way off yet and logistically, I'd say its still in the "we'd like this but how the hell are we going to implement it".

    It will be interesting to see if the British government is willing to launch a major initiative on this based on it being a "safety initiative". I bet there are plans to use the data for enforcement.

    Britain certainly seems to be leading the way in Orwellian initiatives it seems.

    Yeah I also thought that figure sounded a little 'tight'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy916 View Post
    Data such as the routes taken by individual motorcyclists along with time and date will be collected and kept even if they have committed no offence.
    Soon they'll have mandatory RFID/GPS trackers.
    I fucking kid you not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy916 View Post
    The technology ... will be able to read number plates under plans.
    That will be some impressive technology!
    If you leave your numberplate under a set of plans on your workbench, in your garage, they can still read it???

    Good to see 1984 becoming true in the uk.
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    MCN is about as reliable as The Sun. It's always full of alarmist bollocks. Besides, at the risk of stating the obvious, if your bike's legal and you're not taking the piss (speeding in a built up area for example) then I'm sure you'll still be free to enjoy your bike as you always have. If you want to ride like a twat, you deserve all you get.

    As for 1984? Bureaucracy is the first form of surveillance and it's been with us for centuries. It's also worth noting that the same mechanisms that point out also point in meaning greater public sector accountability (well, in theory).

    If you want a real understanding of surveillance, start with Bentham's Panopticon then look at Foucault's 'Discipline & Punish' for ideas on subsidiary judgement enmeshed in the social body.

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    just when you thought the brittish couldnt get any worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly View Post
    If you want a real understanding of surveillance, start with Bentham's Panopticon then look at Foucault's 'Discipline & Punish' for ideas on subsidiary judgement enmeshed in the social body.
    You had me until you mentioned that prat. If philosophers were bike mags he'd be "MCN" and "Babes with Guns" in one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    You had me until you mentioned that prat. If philosophers were bike mags he'd be "MCN" and "Babes with Guns" in one.
    LOL. Still, I managed to get through three years of Uni by quoting the old San Francisco bath house lurker. I don't think anybody could be arsed to either contradict me or read it themselves. Like algebra I haven't needed it since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzbang View Post
    just when you thought the brittish couldnt get any worse.
    No - I have never thought that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest View Post
    No - I have never thought that.

    The British have an infinite capacity for disappointing me.
    Well, I'm sure they're all jolly sorry old chap.

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    typical MCN headline grabbing article

    In reality riding in Derbyshire is a pain in the **** too many cops, there are as good / better roads in Leicestershire and no cops and minimal speed cameras

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