Maori rugby team

[ital916]

Damn straight! Maori rugby has a strong tradition in NZ and world rugby.No fukn' South African bully boy tactic gonna change it.When it comes down to it ol whitey's still scared his ass is gonna get handed to him on a plate by a(old guard racists still reign)so called inferior race.

I believe the term is a "bleck" (cannot use kaffir as maori are not african..well if you go back far enough). Stupid yarpie bastards.

[SixPackBack]

When was that and no I don't...UK has the Lions

In this case a historical perspective is essential...................

For 56 days in July, August and September 1981, New Zealanders were divided against each other in the largest civil disturbance seen since the 1951 waterfront dispute. More than 150,000 people took part in over 200 demonstrations in 28 centres, and 1500 were charged with offences stemming from these protests.
To some observers it might seem inconceivable that the cause of this unrest was the visit to New Zealand of the South African rugby team (the Springboks). Although not a major sport on a global scale, rugby has established itself not only as New Zealand's number one sport but as a vital component in this country's national identity. In many ways the playing of rugby took a back seat in 1981, and the sport suffered in the following years as players and supporters came to terms with the fallout from the tour.
Some commentators have described this event as the moment when New Zealand lost its innocence as a country and as being a watershed in our view of ourselves as a country and people.

.........The demonstrations and civil unrest were in response to South Africa's apartheid system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Springbok_Tour

In response to comments about Fiji, Samoa, Tonga etc fielding race based teams: this is incorrect, the Islands contain a very high percentage of indigenous folk hence the make-up of the teams.

[Grahameeboy]

In this case a historical perspective is essential...................

For 56 days in July, August and September 1981, New Zealanders were divided against each other in the largest civil disturbance seen since the 1951 waterfront dispute. More than 150,000 people took part in over 200 demonstrations in 28 centres, and 1500 were charged with offences stemming from these protests.
To some observers it might seem inconceivable that the cause of this unrest was the visit to New Zealand of the South African rugby team (the Springboks). Although not a major sport on a global scale, rugby has established itself not only as New Zealand's number one sport but as a vital component in this country's national identity. In many ways the playing of rugby took a back seat in 1981, and the sport suffered in the following years as players and supporters came to terms with the fallout from the tour.
Some commentators have described this event as the moment when New Zealand lost its innocence as a country and as being a watershed in our view of ourselves as a country and people.

.........The demonstrations and civil unrest were in response to South Africa's apartheid system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Springbok_Tour

In response to comments about Fiji, Samoa, Tonga etc fielding race based teams: this is incorrect, the Islands contain a very high percentage of indigenous folk hence the make-up of the teams.

I must have a different view...it is just a game...did they really think the protests had an impact...sport should seperated by politics and if those demonstrators really cared they would be protesting all the time, not just over a sports game

[Quasievil]

two things
1/ who cares if the Maori have their own Rugby team, good on them, its been going for 120 years its good.
2/ Who cares if S.A wont let them play on the basis of it being a Rugby team based on race........would you expect anything diferent from a country scarred from years of segregation ?

more important issues to worry about, but go the Maori team.

[SixPackBack]

I must have a different view...it is just a game...did they really think the protests had an impact...sport should seperated by politics and if those demonstrators really cared they would be protesting all the time, not just over a sports game

At the time of the 1981 Springbok tour half the country took your view and the other half took the opposing view-hence the massive civil unrest.

To those not around at the time: I can remember rugby pitches being showered with glass, flour bombing of a live match at Mt eden [from a light plane], the formation of a special police squad to combat the protesters, huge crowds of protesters squaring off against the cops armed with bats and helmets........

'Course that shit stirring coont Minto was in the thick of it and that kinda reduced it to 'rent a crowd' for me personally.....fun times tho'

[SixPackBack]

two things
1/ who cares if the Maori have their own Rugby team, good on them, its been going for 120 years its good.
2/ Who cares if S.A wont let them play on the basis of it being a Rugby team based on race........would you expect anything diferent from a country scarred from years of segregation ?

more important issues to worry about, but go the Maori team.

No one hates racism more than me [remember 'bash a pom a day'?], nor cares less about the Maori rugby or rugby per se. But the South Africans are applying exactly the same logic we applied in 1981 Springbok tour-race based teams are wrong!

Perhaps in the post apartheid age the Saffa's are doing their best to right the wrongs of the past!?.

[DMNTD:Me]

Perhaps in the post apartheid age the Saffa's are doing their best to right the wrongs of the past!?

Tis the way I see it

[Dave Lobster]

Just to throw a different respective on this..

* Maori are indiginous to Nz, so I guess that has some merit..

No they aren't. They just killed and ate those here before them.

* Maori are second in the ethnicity percentage of this country (although exactly how maori do you have to be, to be counted as maori ?? Paul Tito..)

How many of them are more white than they are maori? 3/4 of them? 7/8 of them?

Most of the ones in that ball kicking team on the TV last night appeared to be white anyway.

[MisterD]

I kind of understand where the Sarf Africans are coming from.

Well I fooking don't understand where they're coming from at all. Set aside any opinions you might have about the "Maori All Blacks", South Africa have a quota system to force teams to play black players - what, I ask you is the difference?

[SixPackBack]

Well I fooking don't understand where they're coming from at all. Set aside any opinions you might have about the "Maori All Blacks", South Africa have a quota system to force teams to play black players - what, I ask you is the difference?

Bloody good point, I forgot about that.

[3umph]

No they aren't. They just killed and ate those here before them.

How many of them are more white than they are maori? 3/4 of them? 7/8 of them?

Most of the ones in that ball kicking team on the TV last night appeared to be white anyway.

People seem to forget about the old marioras (sp) that were here first...

maybe the maori team should play a white SA team only then... what an out cry that would be...

sorry but as I said before we are New Zealanders... and should not have national race based team for international matches

good on SA for there stand

[The Stranger:Me]

Yep got it in one. We as kiwis push racial equality then say we want to send an all maori team to Sarf Africa.

Yeah, it's a little different though.
We do have a team that is open to all - many many of them actually.

Is there a problem with a women only team? or a forces team? etc etc.

Also the protests were not really about the team being white only, but about apartheid.

[davereid]

I mean it's like saying Harley riders are not Bikers...init?

No, its not quite the same. People CHOOSE to be Harley Riders. No one CHOOSES their race, ya just get what ya get.

Thats what makes it different. If you get sick of being the slowest biker, with the worst brakes, and the biggest oil leaks, you have the choice of changing.

But you can't change your race.

Thats why anyone who pushes a cause based on race is inherently racist - even if they think they are doing well, they are misguided.

The Treaty of Waitangi is a perfect example. It was never a treaty between nations, and it reached a natural end when New Zealanders of all races got equal voting rights. We all got an equal share of sovereignty at that time, and we should have put the race card away.

Now it is confused, as quite legitimate land claims are being mixed with taniwha, and rubbish claims.

[Bass]

two things
1/ who cares if the Maori have their own Rugby team, good on them, its been going for 120 years its good.
2/ Who cares if S.A wont let them play on the basis of it being a Rugby team based on race........would you expect anything diferent from a country scarred from years of segregation ?

more important issues to worry about, but go the Maori team.

I'm with Quasi.
I used to think differently but then I found out that you only have to be 1/16 Maori to qualify.
Let's say we had a Caucasian team on the same basis i.e. at least 1/16 Caucasian..................the whole Maori team would qualify for starters.
On top of that, look up racist in the dictionary. For something to be racist requires there to be some detriment attached to it. Who is REALLY disadvantaged by the existence of the Maori national team? There is a NZ Samoan team for comparason and membership requirements are more stringent than for the Maori team.
Lastly, I struggle to differentiate ethnicity from many other common interest groupings. There are all sorts of commonalities (besides ethnicity) over which we have no control and which could be (and are) used to draw distinctions. We could have a left handed team or a ginga team or a........... pick any one of dozens.
In practical terms, what's the difference between that and an ethnic qualification?

[firefighter]

Just to throw a different respective on this..
* Maori are indiginous to Nz, so I guess that has some merit..

who the hell told you that? They came here from somewhere else....even their own folk-lore states this! hawaiiki or somesuch.....they came here and ate the indigenous folk, then cried about the british ripping them off......

Damn straight! Maori rugby has a strong tradition in NZ and world rugby.No fukn' South African bully boy tactic gonna change it.When it comes down to it ol whitey's still scared his ass is gonna get handed to him on a plate by a(old guard racists still reign)so called inferior race.

Only our own bully boy tactics should apply to the saffas then? they are doing back what happenend to them, I think "practice what you preach" comes to mind here.....

No they aren't. They just killed and ate those here before them.
How many of them are more white than they are maori? 3/4 of them? 7/8 of
them?
Most of the ones in that ball kicking team on the TV last night appeared to be white anyway.

Correct. And as for most of em' being white- well they had to prove they were maori enough to be on the team first, not just that they are a kiwi....that's why it's racist, like the maori party-but that's another bucket of worms.

People seem to forget about the old marioras (sp) that were here first...

maybe the maori team should play a white SA team only then... what an out cry that would be...

good on SA for there stand

Agree with you there, remember it's never racist if the maoris are doing it, in fact YOU are being racist for saying something.....(maori only beach anyone?- funny how that show the other night with the fisheries inspectors showed all maoris and asians pillaging the fucken beaches.....)

Yeah, it's a little different though.
We do have a team that is open to all - many many of them actually.

Is there a problem with a women only team? or a forces team? etc etc.

Also the protests were not really about the team being white only, but about apartheid.

Your joking- those other teams are open to all races within those categories, it's not even the same argument......