ATGATT Muppets that don't

[discotex]

Y'all don't think the wheelie might have had anything to do with it ?

Hang on a second.... Wasn't it the cage's fault?

Or maybe the police?

[MaxCannon]

Many moons ago when I was about 13 or 14 school ran a sex ed class.
One of the things they talked about was the effect of STD's.
Seeing pictures of genital warts scared the living shit out of me.
As did the description "pissing razors".
It certainly inspired me to use protection. Even if (on one occasion) it required a rather awkward emergency journey to the shops "back in a minute love - just got to put on some loose fitting pants first".

Why not as part of the motorcycle licensing process show some photos of road rash (not genital warts as I'm pretty sure you don't get those of bikes).
Hopefully the whole consequence of action seed of thought will be planted
and riders will be inspired to put on the necessary protection prior to mounting up.
Perhaps even on occasions when it would be more pleasant to feel the breeze.

[Bike-aholic]

My point, is that if I don't want to wear all my gear, I won't, sometimes, on a quiet pootle to the shop, as my bike is my only transport, I should be able to.....if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault......
Who the hell want's to fuck around with 15 layers of shit to go to the shop and back?
If i'm riding a little further, then i'll dress accordingly.....
You can't just wrap the world up in cotton wool, they've done enough of that already don't you think?

Hey i have no problem on what people wear on bikes, but stupid statements like
'if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault'
would be fine if you stuffed yourself up so bad then when you go to hospitial to get fixed then YOU pay for it, thats why our ACC is stuffed to many payouts on stupidity and our bike rego goes up.
How hard is it to put on some jeans, decent footwear, cordura jacket, helmet and gloves hmm 5 things now that is hard for some basic protection, and at least you made an attempt to minimise your injuries with some protection rather than jandles,shorts and a T shirt .

The guy that crashed his bike while i can empathise with him i dont not sympathise for him.

BTW the front wheel was bent to sh*t

[James Deuce]

Why not as part of the motorcycle licensing process show some photos of road rash (not genital warts as I'm pretty sure you don't get those of bikes).
Hopefully the whole consequence of action seed of thought will be planted
and riders will be inspired to put on the necessary protection prior to mounting up.
Perhaps even on occasions when it would be more pleasant to feel the breeze.

You're odd, but in a good way. STDs and their negative effects are rather easier to sell to teenage blokes. You may have noticed that it doesn't stop people contracting them though. Just the odd person like yourself.

The very people you are targeting are the least susceptible. All those ads do is make it hard for some poor bugger who has worked solidly for 40 years to raise a family to buy a nice fat cruiser to pootle about the countryside in his twilight years. Mabel won't let him because of all those mince ads you see. Meanwhile 16 year old Trenton has to spend 6 weeks in plastics having melted anorak nylon surgically removed from his friction charred flesh. His mates will STILL insist that it can't happen to them.

I wear what I want on a bike. What I wear is determined by research, comfort, and available funding, not ACC ads. I got hurt so badly whilst "ATGATTing" that I can tell you that I'm not as hung up about it as I was.

I'm starting to think that comfort and practicality are vastly more important than impact and penetration resistance. I can't remember whether I'm talking about STDs or bike gear now.

[Whynot]

I think you guys are all completely on the wrong track.

The problem is he was riding a gixxer.
Its a well known fact that anyone who gets on a gixxer turns into a squid almost instantaneously.

blame the bike, i say.
make the roads safer, BAN gixxers !!

[firefighter]

Hey i have no problem on what people wear on bikes, but stupid statements like
'if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault'
would be fine if you stuffed yourself up so bad then when you go to hospitial to get fixed then YOU pay for it, thats why our ACC is stuffed to many payouts on stupidity and our bike rego goes up.

Actually, my health and disability insurance would pay for it, and because I bother to pay for those, I am not entitled to recieve any ACC that iv'e paid for with my rego.....

How hard is it to put on some jeans, decent footwear, cordura jacket, helmet and gloves hmm 5 things now that is hard for some basic protection, and at least you made an attempt to minimise your injuries with some protection rather than jandles,shorts and a T shirt .

Oh because jeans offer great protection...... Great the docs now got to pull melted denim out of the exposed flesh too......
I personally would'nt wear anything short of shoes, jandles is just stupid, and I always chuck on my gloves, BUT I may only wear a jumper/t-shirt to go 10 mins up the road, and I ride carefully.........nothing wrong with that, if it's hot and iv'e got shit to do, i'm not going to piss around with a jacket on a hot sunny day.

It's not hard, but it does make taking the bike out a chore rather than fun, I suppose there does need to be kill joy fun-police out there though....

[yachtie10]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bike-aholic View Post
Hey i have no problem on what people wear on bikes, but stupid statements like
'if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault'
would be fine if you stuffed yourself up so bad then when you go to hospitial to get fixed then YOU pay for it, thats why our ACC is stuffed to many payouts on stupidity and our bike rego goes up.

Actually, my health and disability insurance would pay for it, and because I bother to pay for those, I am not entitled to recieve any ACC that iv'e paid for with my rego.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bike-aholic View Post
How hard is it to put on some jeans, decent footwear, cordura jacket, helmet and gloves hmm 5 things now that is hard for some basic protection, and at least you made an attempt to minimise your injuries with some protection rather than jandles,shorts and a T shirt .

Oh because jeans offer great protection...... Great the docs now got to pull melted denim out of the exposed flesh too......
I personally would'nt wear anything short of shoes, jandles is just stupid, and I always chuck on my gloves, BUT I may only wear a jumper/t-shirt to go 10 mins up the road, and I ride carefully.........nothing wrong with that, if it's hot and iv'e got shit to do, i'm not going to piss around with a jacket on a hot sunny day.

It's not hard, but it does make taking the bike out a chore rather than fun, I suppose there does need to be kill joy fun-police out there though....

Not sure I agree with the insurance thing as most insurers only cover what ACC wont cover and it definitely dosn't deny you access to ACC

but I whole heartedly agree with the rest of the post. Just because ACC exists doesnt mean we loose all our freedoms.

The good thing about wearing sensible gears is it stops me from getting sunburnt badly (as I did recently riding a motorbike up Bokor mountain in Cambodia)

[zzzbang]

lol, funny how this thread ended up with a bike trip to cambodia. although it would be an interesting trip.

[DarkLord]

I wonder what the actual emotional age is when the need to be cool is finally weaker than the realisation of your own mortality?
Obviously the bigger the bike, the harder that fight becomes but sheesh...

Sometimes I wonder if there is one at all...

Seems to be a lesson that is all too frequently learned the hard way...

[Bladeslapper109]

If you ever get a chance to discuss the merits of "always" wearing your gear, with one who does NOT... you also will in future, also lack sympathy too.... Life is about CHOICES... he made one. Weather or not he makes the SAME choice again... is the indicator or his stupidity...

fck i love your aavatour,, cracks me up

[Bladeslapper109]

You're odd, but in a good way. STDs and their negative effects are rather easier to sell to teenage blokes. You may have noticed that it doesn't stop people contracting them though. Just the odd person like yourself.

The very people you are targeting are the least susceptible. All those ads do is make it hard for some poor bugger who has worked solidly for 40 years to raise a family to buy a nice fat cruiser to pootle about the countryside in his twilight years. Mabel won't let him because of all those mince ads you see. Meanwhile 16 year old Trenton has to spend 6 weeks in plastics having melted anorak nylon surgically removed from his friction charred flesh. Hir mates will STILL insist that it can't happen to them.

I wear what I want on a bike. What I wear is determined by research, comfort, and available funding, not ACC ads. I got hurt so badly whilst "ATGATTing" that I can tell you that I'm not as hung up about it as I was.

I'm starting to think that comfort and practicality are vastly more important than impact and penetration resistance. I can't remember whether I'm talking about STDs or bike gear now.

Hes not talking about ACC ads.
Maybe just some information brochers you recieve when going throught he license process.

Some gory photos can be effective to some which is better than nothing

[James Deuce]

Hes not talking about ACC ads.
Maybe just some information brochers you recieve when going throught he license process.

Some gory photos can be effective to some which is better than nothing

It doesn't matter which Government department produces them really, does it? ACC or MoT or the Ministry of Health, it's still a Government department wilfully wasting money you and I worked hard to make. No manufacturer, riding school, or bike shop is going to pay for them. They're slightly counter productive.

The only people gory photos of butchered motorcyclists affect are non-riding partners, kids, and your Mum. I bet you haven't stopped riding bikes because of gory photos. If a gory photo stops someone from riding a bike then that's a good thing, because they probably weren't up for riding one in the first place.

[Owl]

The only people gory photos of butchered motorcyclists affect are non-riding partners, kids, and your Mum. I bet you haven't stopped riding bikes because of gory photos. If a gory photo stops someone fro riding a bike then that's a good thing, because they probably weren't up for riding one in the first place.

Agreed! Gory pics on cigarette packets have done wonders.

[tigertim20]

I think really the message is about not riding like a fuckwit, and paying every bit as much attention as possible to your riding, the conditions, and especialy paying as much attention as possible to what the other idiots on the road are doing, or might do.
Sure accidents do happen, but wearing gear is like putting an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
They should put a fence at the top of the cliff, eg RIDER TRAINING. make some of these courses COMULSORY, mabye add extra stages into the liscencing, and extra test or two. Maybe even random compulsory rides for liscenced riders, so they have to prove, upon request of instructors that they havent forgotten what they learned.
I drove like an angel to get my class 1 liscence, as soon as he was outta the car it was 1 hand on the wheel, and one on the shifter, driving like a fuckwit, just like I always had.

Point is, put a fence at the top of the cliff and yeah, sure, some will get through, but youve minimised the amount of accidents in the first place

[FROSTY:Me]

Tim. Get ya point -see exactly where ya coming from.If Im reading this right what you are saying is the guy coulda been wearing a pair of togs,bare feet and an open face lid and no problem ie he wouldnt have been doin summat stupid.
I Happen to agree with ya for 95% of the time. The whole all the gear thing really is about that other 5% of the time where no matter how good you are and how carefully you ride you end up on ya ass.
Take Graehmeboys incident. Stopped at an intersection. tap from behind and he's on the road.