1st genuine post hehe... target fixation

[MSTRS:Me]

Of course lines are important. I addressed that with the referred diagram earlier in the thread. Your ride will not flow if you stay in one place in the lane. Your ability to see well ahead, and be seen by others is hugely important too. Your lane position determines this.

[smoky]

To the OP. Take your advice from a mentor...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...41&postcount=1 or at least from someone who has ridden bikes for years.

Everyone knows by now that the KB mentors idea is all shyte - I know guys who have ridden for years and ride like idiots, and I know some who has only ridden for about 5 years who could teach them a thing or two about riding.
Don't let a stupid green ME next to your KB handle go to your head and think you must be a good rider and need to let everyone know about it.

The above 'technique' is bullshit, (barring avoidance of tarmelt) a motorcycle should not be ridden in the centre of the lane/wheeltracks.....

Personally I think that's a load of bullshit

and the term 'apex' simply means that part of the corner where the curve begins to straighten out. Where you sit within the lane determines where that apex is for you as a rider.

And that's even more bullshit - the fact you quoted it from another source doesn't make it correct either..... I hope you ride better than you post on here.
Apex is the geometric inside center point of a corner - it doesn't change according to how you ride

Of course lines are important. I addressed that with the referred diagram earlier in the thread....

I wasn't addressing my post to you ... I was trying to get back on topic for the original thread post

[yungatart]

I wasn't addressing my post to you ... I was trying to get back on topic for the original thread post

The original post was about target fixation...not lines, but good on ya

[Victoria]

Is there really only one mentor in the Wellington area??

[MSTRS:Me]

Everyone knows by now that the KB mentors idea is all shyte - I know guys who have ridden for years and ride like idiots, and I know some who has only ridden for about 5 years who could teach them a thing or two about riding.
Don't let a stupid green ME next to your KB handle go to your head and think you must be a good rider and need to let everyone know about it.


Personally I think that's a load of bullshit



And that's even more bullshit - the fact you quoted it from another source doesn't make it correct either..... I hope you ride better than you post on here.
Apex is the geometric inside center point of a corner - it doesn't change according to how you ride




I wasn't addressing my post to you ... I was trying to get back on topic for the original thread post

To be a KB mentor is an honour, a privilege, and a responsibility. It doesn't give us any rights to play god, and nor do we assume any. We do know what we are talking about tho, or we wouldn't say 'stuff' on the subject. I guess there's a reason why you aren't one....

[smoky]

The original post was about target fixation...not lines, but good on ya

from the original post

Am wanting a bit more advice on cornering, I have good riding experience generally and am a reasonably confident rider.... Just nana on corners!

And my post was not all about lines - but about setting your self up for a corner, which I tend to think is the most important part of confident cornering

[FROSTY:Me]

Apex is the geometric inside center point of a corner - it doesn't change according to how you ride

Smoky--have a look at a picture of a corner . Now pick the apex point.
Now on that corner position a bike at different points sideways on the road and see what they need to do to acheive that apex point.
Dya see my drift?

[smoky]

To be a KB mentor is an honour, a privilege, and a responsibility. It doesn't give us any rights to play god, and nor do we assume any. We do know what we are talking about tho, or we wouldn't say 'stuff' on the subject. I guess there's a reason why you aren't one....

And in that single post you show yourself to be an arrogant dick, who has too high an opinion of himself
And the audacity to judge someone you have never ridden with nor even met, because they disagree with your unqualified and questionable posts.

And what would the reason be that I am not a mentor??? And why on earth would I want to be???

[FROSTY:Me]

Hey guys --chill pill time please.
If you two meet face to face youll find you are BOTH nice blokes funnilly enough with the same attitude to riding.

[smoky]

Smoky--have a look at a picture of a corner . Now pick the apex point.
Now on that corner position a bike at different points sideways on the road and see what they need to do to acheive that apex point.
Dya see my drift?

Yes I do - what your talking about is where you would apex the corner - not where the actual apex of the corner is.
The Apex is a fixed point - you can either early apex or late apex the corner.

We're not talking about racing lines - would you agree that when riding on the road you use different lines than on a track - and when discussing how to corner on the open road we would talk in reference to the actual apex of the corner - not where we would apex the corner. ??

[Number One]

Sorry guys but I am getting MORE confused due to the back and forward nature of your posts...and I have been riding a while..can't begin imagine how A_Mans_Ruin is finding all this.

AMR honey I would suggest you get yourself a good experienced rider who can take you out and observe you to provide feedback and let you follow them around to learn some of this stuff.

Maybe it's the female in me that struggles with reading maps but the more these guys bicker the harder I'm finding it to even picture what they are talking about, what I should be doing AND how it relates to what I know I do do.

Good luck

[FROSTY:Me]

Mate a racing line is something different again. Racing line would have me starting a right hander from the far left then diving across to the far right of the road. Thats kinda like playing russian rulete on the road--eventually an oncoming cars gonna getya.
But if you can imagine 2 riders. both on identical bikes.
One on the right turn sees the apex and goes to the left then makes his turn from that point The other guys stays in the right wheel track.
The guy that starts from the left has a lot more options if the unexpected happens.
Think about the two riders dealing with say a car crossing the center line or a suddenly tightening corner.
The guy to the left is going to see further and have more room to do something.
Don't get me wrong riding defensively is all part of adding options. I believe for country riding using the road available to you is part of those options. Not for going faster but for keeping you alive.

[smoky]

AMR honey I would suggest you get yourself a good experienced rider who can take you out and observe you to provide feedback and let you follow them around to learn some of this stuff..

I don't think anyone would learn to ride a bike from KB
And I don't think you should ever expect to learn how to ride from any internet forum

Your right though - arguing on KB about who's right and wrong is a bit of a waste of time
I think if your looking for advice on how to ride find someone you know and trust, I wouldn't think because KB has bestowed someone with a green ME on the end of their name means you can rely on their ability to give correct information

[FROSTY:Me]

reading the origonal post my suggestion quite frankly would be to RELAX

[Number One]

I don't think anyone would learn to ride a bike from KB
And I don't think you should ever expect to learn how to ride from any internet forum

Definitely not and this lady in question hasn't left learning how to ride up to reading KB...PHEW :

You're right though - arguing on KB about who's right and wrong is a bit of a waste of time

Sure is BUT the main thing is that for those that might be actually looking to glean something useful it becomes more confusing than anything else and creates more questions than it does answers.

One thing I didn't mention in my post too AMR is that I the best 'mentors' I have had have been those that weren't concerned about being seen as 'right' but that actually after watching me ride - took the time to ask me what I thought I was doing, why I chose to do certain things and then they were able to pass on useful info in a practical easy to understand un-techy way that I could easily relate to practise...they adapted their message very well so that even I could take it in and use it effectively.

BTW - this post isn't meant to ruffle feathers...I'm not having a go at any of the peeps who were disagreeing with each other on here. Just coming at this from a 'learners' perspective.