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    Getting a knee down intro

    Found this elsewhere on the net and thought it was bloody well written and informative.....

    The fact of the matter is simple, you can hang off as far as you like but if
    your body position is wrong, then the chances of you getting your knee down are
    slim to non-existent.
    You can carry extreme amounts of lean on your bike and have everything dragging
    on the deck and still be nowhere close to scuffing your first knee slider. Let’s
    get one thing straight right from the off, if you can drag your toe, footpeg, or
    more then you have more than enough lean angle.
    Let’s take a look at some basic facts.
    If you ride around a corner and touch the pipe down, sooner or later it will
    result in a crash as the undercarriage lifts the front or rear wheel off the
    ground. With extreme lean you can’t use the throttle as hard as you might like because the further you lean the smaller the contact patch of the tyre becomes.
    Smaller patch equals less grip equals useable power.
    The only advantage to massive angles of lean is – none. There aren’t any. You
    have less grip and the more upright the bike in the turn the more stable it will
    be, the faster it will be and the safer it will be. Knee down might look fast
    but it’s normally slower.
    The proper reason for scrapping your knee slider on the deck is to gauge your
    lean angle, not to impregnate your local roundabout with plastic. Racers do it
    all the time because when their knee is on the floor then they use it to tell
    how much further they can or cannot go before the bike loses grip and crashes.
    Some racers are so good at this detection that they only use one set of knee
    sliders over a whole weekend! Others have managed to save a crash by supporting
    the weight of the bike on their knee when the front tyre loses grip. Journos do
    it because it makes for a nice picture! (All lies – Ed)

    Back to the body position. The biggest single mistake that most riders make
    is to hang two buttock cheeks off the seat in an attempt to get their knee on
    the deck. The further you hang your backside off the seat the less chance you
    have of getting your plastic to the Tarmac.
    The reason is simple; you twist your body. And the more you twist the more your
    leg is moved into the bike and up along side the fairing until you have no
    movement left in your hip and your knee simply cannot stick out.
    There are other problems with this. As your body is twisted it means your spine
    is twisted and on sharp bends this makes it very difficult to look into the
    corner. It also puts pressure on the inside handlebar, which in turn (sic) makes
    the bike handle badly. If nothing else it feels bloody uncomfortable too. All in
    all, not a good thing.

    Knee down enemy number two is to push the bike down and away from you
    motorcross style. Your inside arm will be straight, the outside arm bent and the
    bike will have a massive lean going on but because of your position you will think it's not leant that far over.
    Enemy number three, bolt up right and just sticking your knee into the wind. Fat
    chance. The only way you’d get your knee down is if you crashed.
    The Cure
    The key is to hang off a little, namely one bum cheek, and be able to have your
    inside leg relaxed.
    Easier said than done. Not really. It’s all possible with the use of anchor
    points. A good one allows you to relax the inside leg, your upper body and
    reduces input into the handlebars that will help the bike to handle better.
    Your main anchor point is your outside leg. Ever wondered why sports bikes have
    that sculpted tank? The reason is this - to wedge your thigh into that recess so
    you can carry your weight on the outside leg. Don’t confuse this with weighting
    the footpegs, this is another matter entirely.
    The test
    An effective but simple test for this is to put your bike on it’s
    sidestand (Ducati owners will need someone to hold the bike as the
    stand is weak), get into your hang off position and then see if you
    can let go of the handlebars. If you let go and fall in an
    undignified heap on the garage floor it’s a sure sign that you have
    no anchor and have been riding your bike hanging on using the bars.
    To get a good anchor you need to force your outside leg up and into
    the recess in the tank. This may mean you have to put your toes on
    the footpeg to get a really good lock. Another note to 916/996 and 748 owners – that lovely tank is hard to lock into. If you find that
    your leg is pointed towards the sky, then you have it just right!
    Now lift your hands off the handlebars and you should stay firmly in
    place.
    The position

    So that’s the first stage. The second stage is to move your bum
    across into the correct position. If you hang off more than one bum
    cheek then it’s too much. The edge of the seat (on most bikes)
    should be right where the crack of your bottom is. Now, let your
    inside leg relax as much possible and let gravity pull it down
    naturally.
    This is the perfect position to have. Because your inside leg is
    relaxed it can cope with any changes in road surface, like a bump or
    dip, without upsetting you or the bike. Keep it stiff and it’s like
    the suspension being too hard; it will upset the balance of the
    machine as it transmits the road’s imperfections through you to the
    chassis.
    The perfect body position is one that keeps your spine inline and
    parallel to the bike at all times. Okay, some riders, namely Mick
    Doohan and Troy Bayliss are able to get away with their bodies
    completely crossed up or twisted but remember that these boys race
    on extremely sticky slick tyres, which have enough grip to be able
    to cope with the odd riding position. Go to any club meeting and see
    a rider try and do it and they normally end up in the gravel, as
    their tyres aren’t good enough to cope.


    A good body position will not only help you to get your knee on
    the floor but it has several other advantages too. You will be more
    relaxed and therefore less likely to make a mistake. You will be
    able to look into a corner better and be more able to predict where
    you want to be. And you will finally be the local riding God with
    scuffed, not polished sliders.
    All you have to do now is practice!



    Thoughts????
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    Never bother meself...knees are so knacked already - don't want 'em draggin' on the ground.
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    Good write up v accurate

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    Not so sure about a few bits of that article.
    I tried for years to get a knee down on the road, but never could, and really thought it impossible. Tried all the tips and tricks from all the articles I could find.
    One day at the old taupo track after giving up on it ages ago, it just happened, both sliders in 1 lap! I shat myself.
    But in the next session I did it again and more often. By the next trackday it was easy, and I wore out a new set of sliders!
    Now I can do it almost anytime and anywhere. What made it possible? Just gotta trust the bike and tyres really, I just stick my knee out and lean the bike over till it hits the ground...easy.
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    I get my knee down on the garage floor when cleaning the bike.

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    Jaymz will be getting his knee down soon on a shiny GSXR600.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by madbikeboy View Post
    Jaymz will be getting his knee down soon on a shiny GSXR600.....
    probably followed by his arse
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    Scraped the bottom of my fairings on Sunday, Thats enough damage for me, like Slowfox my knees are shot as well.

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    I clipped a boot on the Rotomas once - that woke me up! I worry I will whack my knee real hard and wreck it - it's already fucked up enough. I'm pretty sure my near-new Michelin PR2's won't let me down - it's just a head thing, and a lack of gravel thing.

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    Thanks for that.... cheers

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    ive managed to hurt the knees on my dririders, i dont knee down now because my leathers dont have sliders and the dririders dont need more damage. it makes me want to ride faster when the knee drags and thats not good on the road, i do enjoy being alive
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    Ha...Thats true but life is full horrible choices sometimes Merv. Then sometimes just plain stuff happens... and then some more stuff happens.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    I clipped a boot on the Rotomas once - that woke me up! I worry I will whack my knee real hard and wreck it - it's already fucked up enough.

    Steve
    My right knees fucked too. Getting it down is ok, but hitting those reflectors on the white lines hurt like Fuck!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by madbikeboy View Post
    Jaymz will be getting his knee down soon on a shiny GSXR600.....
    I hope so!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    probably followed by his arse
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    A good read but could of been paraphrased to....

    Quote Originally Posted by DEATH_INC. View Post
    I just stick my knee out and lean the bike over till it hits the ground...easy.
    Ive never done it, not that ive tried, don't have sliders & im not that keen on whacking my knees on the road tbh
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    If I drag my knee on the ground it means I've crashed.
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