Speed camera help please

[CookMySock]

Will that REALLY work??

C'mon scumdog, help out here a bit. The guy is busted fair and square, now he just wants his head above water and pay the fine. Isn't that enough? Do you think he will do that again?

I stand by my suggestion: You do not have to answer the police questions.

Whats the story scumdog?

Steve

[awayatc]

I wouldnt do ANYTHING. They will try to engineer out of you what they can. You do not have to help them do their job.

Wait until they issue you with a fine and just pay it with a company cheque signed by your accountant. Don't put your name on anything.

Good luck with that.
Steve

sounds Dangerous.....

[Swoop]

does anyone know what me the outcome of this will be...

You will unbolt the plate before going on a ride, next time???

[spudchucka]

I wouldnt do ANYTHING. They will try to engineer out of you what they can. You do not have to help them do their job.

Wait until they issue you with a fine and just pay it with a company cheque signed by your accountant. Don't put your name on anything.

Good luck with that.


Steve

You should take Dumb Bastard's advice.

118: Owner or hirer or licence holder to give information as to identity of driver or passenger

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(1) If an enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that the driver of a vehicle has committed an offence while in charge of the vehicle, the officer may request the owner or hirer of the vehicle to give all information in his or her possession or obtainable by him or her which may lead to the identification and apprehension of the driver of the vehicle.

(2) If an enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that a passenger of a vehicle has committed an offence in or through the use of the vehicle where that use relates to the commission of the offence or the aiding of the commission of the offence or the assisting of that passenger to avoid arrest in connection with or conviction for that offence, the officer may request the owner or hirer of the vehicle to give all information which may lead to the identification and apprehension of the passenger.

(3) A request under subsection (1) or subsection (2) or subsection (6) may be made orally or in writing and the owner or hirer or licence holder (as the case may be) must comply with the request within 14 days.

(4) If a vehicle has been used to flee a Police pursuit, an enforcement officer may request the owner of the vehicle to give all information in his or her possession or obtainable by him or her which may lead to the identification and apprehension of the driver, and the owner must give the officer that information immediately.

(5) Subsection (4) does not apply if the owner has been arrested or detained in relation to the suspected offence.

(6) If the holder of a transport service licence employs any person to drive a vehicle under that licence, the licence holder, on being informed of any offence alleged to have been committed by that person or by a person driving a vehicle being used under the licence, and on being requested to do so by an enforcement officer, must supply in writing the full name and address of the driver.

52: Contravening notices, requirements, etc, given or imposed by enforcement officers

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(1) A person commits an offence if the person—
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(aa) is the driver of a vehicle that is stopped and fails to remain stopped in accordance with section 114(2A); or
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(a) Removes, obscures, or renders indistinguishable a notice affixed to a vehicle under section 115, unless new evidence of vehicle inspection has been obtained for the vehicle or (if the notice was given under section 96(1B)) the direction requiring the vehicle not to be driven on a road has been cancelled under section 102(3)(b) or section 110(3)(a)(ii) or, if section 115(2A) applies, the enforcement officer has been notified in writing that the vehicle complies with the regulations and the rules; or
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(b) Drives a vehicle to which a notice under section 115 applies (other than when driving in compliance with a condition imposed under subsection (4) or subsection (5) of that section or under section 96(1D)) before new evidence of vehicle inspection has been obtained for, and is displayed on, the vehicle; or
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(c) Fails or refuses to comply with any lawful requirement, direction, notice, request, or prohibition given to or imposed on him or her under this Act by an enforcement officer or a dangerous goods enforcement officer; or
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(d) Whether or not he or she is the person to whom the direction was given, knowingly drives a heavy motor vehicle on a road in breach of a direction given by an enforcement officer under section 128.

(2) The maximum penalty on conviction for an offence against subsection (1) is a fine not exceeding $10,000.

Because the cops never bother to follow up on this stuff.

[Mully]

One grey area is when its registered to a company, not sure how that follows, as it would be lovely for a company to rack up demerits, then get its driving license suspended I would presume they may look at company owners, as its otherwise a fantastic loophole.

DAMHIK, but when a company vehicle is subjected to a "moving vehicle violation", the company receives the notice. It is, generally, in the primary driver's contract that they are responsible for any infringements incurred unless someone else had the vehicle at the time.

With demerits, you don't get those from cameras, so it's irrelevant to the company. If they do change the law, I would expect any camera fine to get a letter like the OPs before a fine/demerits are issued. Which may be why they haven't, it would add an enormous administrative burden to the boys in blue.

In this case, a speed of over 40km/h over the limit is a summons (not an instant fine). They want to know who was driving so they know who to serve with papers. I have no idea what the penalty for 58km/h over the limit is, but I'd be preparing for a large fine and possibly the requirement to get a work licence (there are threads on here about how to do it).

[Scouse]

Just supply the Police your name and address then move house and change jobs so that it is difficult for them to serve a summons.

[pritch]

She told the cops it wasnt her, she had left the car at a party the night before and it could have neen anybody using it who was there. They fined her $600 for failure to comply, they cant be bothered chasing someone over something like that.

We get these several times a month at work. On one occasion only have we had to advise the Police that we couldn't identify the driver. The guilty party hadn't filled in any of the normal paperwork. The photo was taken from behind and the headrest hid the driver completely. And of course nobody had any idea who was driving that particular car at the time...

[Patrick]

I got a dreaded letter today!! 108km in a 50km area from a ride a couple of weekes ago. does anyone know what me the outcome of this will be as the bike is not regersted in my name but the company I work for and own. I am very concerned about this. Not really an advocate for high speed and am certainly feeling extremely guilty about this.....my only defence on the matter is a belive the camera was just inside the 50km area and i hadnt slowed down in time which is my own fault. Any help and suggestion much appreciated. The only info I discoverd is for speeds up to 50km not anything over.

Cheers

Buggered. No instant fine, as it is over 50kmph over the limit. Be careful about the bush lawyers on the site and their advice.... See the above post from Spud about the "legislation."

There is a requirement of 250m past a speed restriction sign, when going from a higher speed into a lower speed. (Doesn't work the other way around, either... ie: 50k into 100 and you were speeding up before the 100 sign... they can set up immediately before the sign, but they don't....... coz they're good like that...)

The other part that is also worth pointing out is, if you failed or refused to supply driver info, if it is over a matter concerning road safety, (which this is...) the owners drivers licence may also be disqualifed. If you're the boss = you. If not... he's gonna be pissed.........

I wouldnt do ANYTHING. They will try to engineer out of you what they can. You do not have to help them do their job.

Wait until they issue you with a fine and just pay it with a company cheque signed by your accountant. Don't put your name on anything.

Good luck with that.
Steve

Fookin bush lawyers.....

[MaxB]

What Patrick says. At 58kmh over it will be a court case.

So the police will consider what evidence they have and then lay a charge relevant to the severity of the offence. This assumes they know the id of the rider.

They can just charge the rider with a speeding type offence. The standard punishment from the courts is a 28 day walk, 50 points and approx $1000 fine/costs. From there it just gets worse. More disqualifications and fines are possible with careless use or dangerous charges.

The problem is that it is the courts that will impose the 'justice' so there are no guarantees.

I know a dumb rider busted for 146kmh past a rural school charged and convicted with dangerous driving. I know of another rider busted at double the speed limit on a remote road that just got a speeding fine and 50 points and a 20 minute dreesing down by the court on why he was a menace to society. The NZ justice system is a strange thing.

[Gremlin]

Because the cops never bother to follow up on this stuff.

cheers for the official phrasing spud... wow... I was actually about right!

For my own interest, is 50kph or more over treated as the same, regardless of whether its from cop or speed camera? (exception of demerits obviously). Or indeed... 40kph over? (ie, loss of license for 30 days?)

The NZ justice system is a strange thing.

The trick to remember is... its a bunch of old guys (generalisation) ie, they are JP's. I have found they are more inclined to follow what the police say (I know of one that completely followed the police recommendations, regardless of the civilian's case), and seem like old boys that have never broken the law etc. In comparison, one judge I came across was very good, bollocking either side as required, and generally, found him excellent (well, as excellent as can be, when you're appearing before him appealing for a work license )

[Mom]

I have no issues paying the fine....more than happy too, I was speeding!! But what worries me is the letter has no fine on it......the letter is asking for the details of the rider...and further corespondece will be issued. It has details of when and where and the speed and a form to fill out. Please note the bike is in a dealer name (as im a deal and yes should know better). There is no amount set to pay.....thats the concern.....I give up my details and boom....bye bye licence. Thanks to you who have responded so far.

Listen to the advice of the coppers on the forum mate, and disregard some of the other "good" advice you are receiving. Out of interest, how many dealers are there in Bluff? You have basically outed yourself on here anyway, did the crime, do the time. That is friggen fast in a 50kph zone.

[3umph]

if I was your boss and got taken down from your actions I would be very pissed....

You did the crime so you need to do the right thing or you could come off really bad compared to what will happen if you own up...

Take the good advice that has been given free of charge by the ones that know the laws on here....

Good luck

[samgab]

There is a requirement of 250m past a speed restriction sign, when going from a higher speed into a lower speed. (Doesn't work the other way around, either... ie: 50k into 100 and you were speeding up before the 100 sign... they can set up immediately before the sign, but they don't....... coz they're good like that...)

I'm thinking, and I can't think of any areas that go directly 100-50... All the ones I can think of go 100-70-50, or 100-80-60, or some such.

Are there many areas where the speed change goes directly from 100 to 50?

Edit1: I don't know about the South Island, not having driven/ridden there.
Edit2: Above not counting motorway offramps, of course.

[3umph]

I'm thinking, and I can't think of any areas that go directly 100-50... All the ones I can think of go 100-70-50, or 100-80-60, or some such.

Are there many areas where the speed change goes directly from 100 to 50?

Edit1: I don't know about the South Island, not having driven/ridden there.
Edit2: Above not counting motorway offramps, of course.

yeah quite a few in the south...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I'm thinking, and I can't think of any areas that go directly 100-50... All the ones I can think of go 100-70-50, or 100-80-60, or some such.

Are there many areas where the speed change goes directly from 100 to 50?

Edit1: I don't know about the South Island, not having driven/ridden there.
Edit2: Above not counting motorway offramps, of course.

There are a few down south and have been known to catch a few people out... However they usually have dirty great big signs and usually can't be missed...

One must remember you are suppose to be reduce your speed of the new sign posted speed limit by the time you pass it not slow down after... and you are not suppose to speed up till after you have passed it...

I do miss the days of the LSZ