Motorcycle counter-sitting

[naphazoline]

... shift max weight to the outside peg, while hanging out as far as possible, off the bike, in the opposite direction to the turn.

Surely, such would produce a counterweight to the forces attempting to lay the bike down?.

Funny you should mention this.

I was talking about such matters to a mate of mine recently,who has had a lot of experience riding/racing.
He suggested that i try this technique.

I've only tried it a couple of times,but it sure feels weird to me.

[Motu]

shift max weight to the outside peg, while hanging out as far as possible, off the bike, in the opposite direction to the turn.

Surely, such would produce a counterweight to the forces attempting to lay the bike down?

Watch a trials rider doing a very very tight turn....this is the method he uses.What an MX rider....this is the method he uses.

At high speed....it's not a good method.

[Ixion]

Not sure if this is the right forum but, anyway.

In a number of posts in past the issue of where our weight should be displaced has attracted many vigorous comments; the inside knee out and body weight shifted into the turn and onto the pegs, being the most favoured approach.

But, surely, physics says that a better approach would be to shift max weight to the outside peg, while hanging out as far as possible, off the bike, in the opposite direction to the turn.

Surely, such would produce a counterweight to the forces attempting to lay the bike down?

Given that no racer I have ever seen does this I'd be keen to know what I'm missing here.

It depends what you are trying to conserve.

Weight inboard of the turn will allow a faster speed for the same angle of lean. But at the expense (as you intimate) of greater force trying to push the tyre outward.

Weight outboard of the turn, the reverse.

A GP racer nowadays is trying to maximise his lean speed. His concerns are not touching anything down, and not rolling so far over on his tyres that he rolls of the edge of the tread. The super sticky conmpund soft modern tyres are so sticky he doesn't really need to worry about sliding ,until he starts to come out of the turn and wind on throttle, potentially causing the rear wheel to break loose. But by then he is coming upright anyway .

A trials or MX rider is the opposite. He is unlikely to ground anything, and his angle of lean is not so great that he must worry much about running out of tread. But he is riding (often) on slippery and unstable surfaces. Sliding is his worry. So , he reverses things.

Years ago, racers did not crawl inboard. Because they to had crap tyres that did not stick. And often gravel surfaces (yes they used to run the TT on gravel). Their worry was the dreaded side slip.