Crash on Waterloo Quadrant/Princes St (12 March)

[R6_kid:Me]

and his pet cat in his backpack.

But kittens die everytime I see Mrs Palmer. Are you saying that if he had a cat in his backpack when he crashed he would be a wanker?

[The Pastor]

But kittens die everytime I see Mrs Palmer. Are you saying that if he had a cat in his backpack when he crashed he would be a wanker?

well i wouldnt go that far mate, thats being a dick.

say wanna buy a 1983 honda civic? sell it to ya for $800

I paid $900 a year ago. brilliant car.

[motorbyclist]

I would like to politely suggest that people refrain from speculating on the cause of this crash, and refrain from making remarks about other alleged incidents involving this rider.

OK, got the story straight now (i should hope).

rider was not at fault. he was headed up the hill, straight through a green light into princes street.

the cager pulled a right turn into waterloo, across the path of the oncoming biker. failing to give way (or possibly running a red)

result - essentially a head on collision. happened so fast there wasn't even any skid marks (on the road, that is), so either the cbr was doing some ridiculous speed or the cager simply didn't look.

the best part? apparently the cops didn't take down the details of the cager at fault. WTF.

[PirateJafa]

Should matter that they didn't take down the driver's details. As I understand it the owner of the car has to divulge who was driving the car at the time else face being charged themselves.

Unless I have NZ's law confused with another country. ><

[motorbyclist]

Should matter that they didn't take down the driver's details. As I understand it the owner of the car has to divulge who was driving the car at the time else face being charged themselves.

Unless I have NZ's law confused with another country. ><

what sort of police officer attends a major accident and doesn't take details of who was driving?

as i understand it the cop didn't even take a number plate either - leaves downed rider to hope someone took decent photos

[PirateJafa]

Considering there were pictures in the paper of the bike lying next to the fooked BMW, it should be a breeze to get a picture from them with the plate.

Also the picture in the paper even had a shot of a police officer taking a picture of the bike and front of the car - they should have it on film then.

[ital916]

OK, got the story straight now (i should hope).

rider was not at fault. he was headed up the hill, straight through a green light into princes street.

the cager pulled a right turn into waterloo, across the path of the oncoming biker. failing to give way (or possibly running a red)

result - essentially a head on collision. happened so fast there wasn't even any skid marks (on the road, that is), so either the cbr was doing some ridiculous speed or the cager simply didn't look.

the best part? apparently the cops didn't take down the details of the cager at fault. WTF.

Itake it this is one side of the story....how bout we leave the speculation alone until a full investigation has been done by the SCU hehe.*or when you talk to the car driver lol*

Funny how there was no time to react, no application of brake and no sort of movement...just, bang! Did the rider remember what speed he was doing, most probably 49km/h lol.

That is odd but like jafa said, there are lots of photos.

[ital916]

it wouldnt of been to bad, if the dude didnt have his girl on the back not wearing a helmet, and his pet cat in his backpack.

I think the fact that he made the very unwise descision to activate his NOS system at that point in time also contributed. When will people learn that NOS is not cool.....superchargers are though.

[motorbyclist]

Itake it this is one side of the story....how bout we leave the speculation alone until a full investigation has been done by the SCU hehe.*or when you talk to the car driver lol*

source was ehab who attended scene, while he was on the phone with rider himself (they're mates)

[Metalor]

So who was this guy who crashed? Broken pelvis is pretty extreme... fucking idiot driver, someone needs to smack some sense into them.

Princes street is notorious for fucking shit driving though. It seems as soon as people get on it they have to drive like a giant fag. And that intersection is shocking too... and the pedestrians don't help either. I'm always pretty catious riding through there.

[ital916]

OK, got the story straight now (i should hope).

rider was not at fault. he was headed up the hill, straight through a green light into princes street.

the cager pulled a right turn into waterloo, across the path of the oncoming biker. failing to give way (or possibly running a red)

result - essentially a head on collision. happened so fast there wasn't even any skid marks (on the road, that is), so either the cbr was doing some ridiculous speed or the cager simply didn't look.

the best part? apparently the cops didn't take down the details of the cager at fault. WTF.

That is a well known intersection, it is a give way green light when turning right, the problem is that cars turning left into waterloo stop to give way to the car turning right from princes but the vehicles behind the left turning vehicles zoom around *as is the nz way*. The right turning cars will already be turning though.

Metalor dont be quick to judge the driver. In this case we have heard what ehabs mate told ehab, which wont be accurate to start because the motorcyclist wont think he did anything wrong. And ehad being a mate instinctively will take his mates side.

For all we know the turning car would have seen all clear with a left turning vehicle giving way to him and start his turn. The biker could have been trying to catch the light and zoom around and through the intersection at a "cracking" speed and slam into the car which would have turned at the same time.

In that case, I would not blame the driver who would not see the bike coming or be able to judge his speed accurately.

It happens all the time. I have had bikes do that to me at that intersection when I am in the cage and as a biker I pay extra attention to look for motorcycles.

So lets not think the bike is a bloody angel in this incident eh until facts are proven but feel free to speculate anyway as it is a free country. I reckon the biker knows more than he is telling.

[motorbyclist]

bollocks - from the cager's POV there is nowhere for an oncoming bike to magically appear from and there's a whole lane of space for straight through traffic to move pass left turning traffic who can't operate mirrors

what some old coot says about the speed of a bike based on the sound it made hitting a car has very little basis on the speed of the bike - i doubt the paper saw the pun in the phrase "a cracking pace", so why they saw fit to include that comment is questionable and raised grumbles about scapegoats, propaganda and media trends

though i assume the guy was doing up to 60kph anyway, he'd have to be doing in excess of 100 for the cager to blame the biker's speed being the reason he didn't see him coming. most likely he didn't give it more than a glance ie didn't actually look (good argument for headlights if the cbr didn't have them on)

i'm sorry but i just can't be sympathetic to a cager who pulls across oncoming traffic. at that intersection i don't see how someone who looks and behaves responsibly can manage to cause a head on collision and NOT be responsible for it, unless as i said before the oncoming traffic is doing a ridiculous speed

considering the apparent lack of time for either party to react (well evidently the cager wasnt going to either way) i presume the car pulled across the intersection AFTER the cbr would have. that, however, is pure speculation.

[ital916]

bollocks - from the cager's POV there is nowhere for an oncoming bike to magically appear from and there's a whole lane of space for straight through traffic to move pass left turning traffic who can't operate mirrors

what some old coot says about the speed of a bike based on the sound it made hitting a car has very little basis on the speed of the bike - i doubt the paper saw the pun in the phrase "a cracking pace", so why they saw fit to include that comment is questionable and raised grumbles about scapegoats, propaganda and media trends

though i assume the guy was doing up to 60kph anyway, he'd have to be doing in excess of 100 for the cager to blame the biker's speed being the reason he didn't see him coming. most likely he didn't give it more than a glance ie didn't actually look (good argument for headlights if the cbr didn't have them on)

i'm sorry but i just can't be sympathetic to a cager who pulls across oncoming traffic. at that intersection i don't see how someone who looks and behaves responsibly can manage to cause a head on collision and NOT be responsible for it, unless as i said before the oncoming traffic is doing a ridiculous speed

considering the apparent lack of time for either party to react (well evidently the cager wasnt going to either way) i presume the car pulled across the intersection AFTER the cbr would have. that, however, is pure speculation.

I challenge you bollocks to pistols at dawn *I can do plays on words too!*, seriously though it happens all the time, it is a treacherous intersection as the traffic coming straight onto princes is coming up that incline, cars turning are at the top of the crest. You have no proof to support your speculation and I have no proof mine.

Dont be ignorant and ignore the fact that bikes belt their way aroudn there at insane speeds sometimes. Maybe not club members but Ihave seen motards pulling 30m wheelies dows symonds street and actually going at cracking pace through that intersection.

You forget I had an apartment in the city, I transversed that interesection all the time and saw straight and turning traffic behaving badly all the same.

If I was in a car and saw the bike coming straight but decided I have plenty of time to turn. In that space of me starting my turn If the bike has decided to speed up to catch the light, he is running late for mm2 etc assuming that I will give way, I would not think of myself as at fault. He has right of way but I have STARTED MY MANOUVER and as such he must give way. I saw, judged and decided it would be alright to move but the motorcycling speeding up has caused a spanner in the works.

A problem most cars have is that they dont realise how quick bikes can accelerate. Bikers are not all angels, Im not saying this biker was in the wrong or right as we shall have to wait for the VERDICT FROM THE POLICE *note not the rider*.

[Ixion]

I challenge you bollocks to pistols at dawn *I can do plays on words too!*, seriously though it happens all the time, it is a treacherous intersection as the traffic coming straight onto princes is coming up that incline, cars turning are at the top of the crest. You have no proof to support your speculation and I have no proof mine.

Dont be ignorant and ignore the fact that bikes belt their way aroudn there at insane speeds sometimes. Maybe not club members

Certainly not club members! The Safety Officer would not permit that.

but Ihave seen motards pulling 30m wheelies dows symonds street and actually going at cracking pace through that intersection.

You forget I had an apartment in the city, I transversed that interesection all the time and saw straight and turning traffic behaving badly all the same.

If I was in a car and saw the bike coming straight but decided I have plenty of time to turn. In that space of me starting my turn If the bike has decided to speed up to catch the light, he is running late for mm2 etc assuming that I will give way, I would not think of myself as at fault. He has right of way but I have STARTED MY MANOUVER and as such he must give way. I saw, judged and decided it would be alright to move but the motorcycling speeding up has caused a spanner in the works.

A problem most cars have is that they dont realise how quick bikes can accelerate. Bikers are not all angels, Im not saying this biker was in the wrong or right as we shall have to wait for the VERDICT FROM THE POLICE *note not the rider*.

There is no legal standing for that statement. And you can never have a "verdict from the police"> They have no power to issue any verdict, and to attempt to do so would be gross constitutional impropriety

[jrandom]

Has anyone else ever read one of these threads and considered that if the members of this 'Auckland Uni SMC' are representative of the university-going population these days, society is pretty much doomed?