Fuel quality. Any difference between companies?

[sunhuntin]

ive been running v power for a couple of years now. ive found i get more ks to a tank than i did on 91. never forget the night we rode to bulls with grub, and i neglected to fill up. we were about half way between bulls and turakina when i had to flick to reserve... reserve is meant to give me another 20k, which i estimated would get me to turakina for gas. get there, and its shut [about 8pm] somehow, that small amount of gas got us all the way back to wangas. i think i figured i got an extra 10k on reserve, which wouldnt have happened on 91.

meow... i worked at bp for 3 years and never once did i hear about the underground tanks being cleaned. i did the dip levels as well on sundays and never noticed any undue dirt or other crap. i did catch a pump tester about to dump a jug of diesel into the 91 when they were calibrating, lol.

and yep, pak n save is bp gas. i only go there for the airpump now.

[motorbyclist]

search function, anyone?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...04#post1486804

all my road bikes so far have had such an increase in mileage on 98 that it actually works out cheaper to run.

experiments with the yamaha yz400f and the yz426f both give markedly longer sparkplug life on 98. shell 91 was the worst.

the fxr150 seems to have more power on 98. my mate's 2L V6(?) mazda also seems to have more power on 98 (but the mileage doesn't quite pay for it)

vfr400 didn't seem to have a power increase, but the mileage increase was almost 20%, easily outweighing the 5% price premium

but of course, riding in cold conditions/at night also seems to give better performance. the yamaha yzf manual actually says you should change the fuel mix in cold conditions so it doesn't run too lean!

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and if it's all a psychological thing? who cares? - you still get something for the extra dollar a tank

in short, get a finnicky motor and test it. shell gave me 3 hours of plug life among other problems. BP 98 gives over two years of flawless performance.

and about 50% of the time i fill at a mobil station I end up having to drain my carbs/tank of what appears to be more water than petrol, and it's hit a few of my mates too. since stopped filling there if ever given a choice.

[sunhuntin]

and about 50% of the time i fill at a mobil station I end up having to drain my carbs/tank of what appears to be more water than petrol, and it's hit a few of my mates too. since stopped filling there if ever given a choice.

ive never filled at my local mobil and never will, simply cos the owner is the biggest cunt under the sun. got no security cameras, so if the servo gets robbed, whoever is on staff has to fork out.

i must have used a mobil at some stage... cant really remember though, lol. certainly dont recall any major problems resulting... it would have been only one tankful while travelling.

[motorbyclist]

ive never filled at my local mobil and never will, simply cos the owner is the biggest cunt under the sun. got no security cameras, so if the servo gets robbed, whoever is on staff has to fork out.

i must have used a mobil at some stage... cant really remember though, lol. certainly dont recall any major problems resulting... it would have been only one tankful while travelling.

farking hell that's a bit rude! it's a wonder he can find employees with that attitude!

yeah the water problem is only an issue when it comes to starting the bike a few hours after filling up... oh and on the old man's old r6 he got about 1km (far enough for the mobil fuel to hit the injectors) before a serious misfire developed and he ended up riding home on whichever two of the four cylinders were still able to fire. pretty sure it was the fuel that caused it - the petrol smelt really off (like varnish, almost) and bike ran fine after draining and filling with fresh BP98 and cleaning what were by then very coked up sparkplugs. that really was the final staw for me (and him) buying mobil.

[McDuck]

Really? I thought it was only Gull that bring in their own gas.

They buy of Mobil....

[Morepower]

The TL seems to run fine on anything so I just bung in 91 . My car however is very fussy ( Big block Mopar ) it only likes BP98 , seems to be a much better brew for carburetors . The Gull 98 with 10% ethanol is shit.

[scumdog]

All I know is that I'd never use 91.....its shit. In anything. period. .

I use Shell V-power in my bike and car.

My boyfriend however, swears by BP Ultimate. We dont have anything to compare it to down here though as everything moves a bit slower down south and haven't got the Mobil 98 yet

If I remember correctly V-Power is only 93 octane.


But yes, Ultimate is good in high-compression engines, mine run way better on it.

[driftn]

I'm a firm believer in bp 98, Used to use V-power for the fly buys but then found it is no longer done off dollar value it is no 1 point per 20 liters . After 2 tanks of ultimate in bothe car and bike I noticed a big difference. Much smoother at idle, revs nicer and is more responsive on the throttle. My 2 cents worth.

[Maki]

Filled up with Mobil 98 a while ago. The "Yamaha tick" got a lot worse but I didn't notice any other bad effects. Will avoid it in the future though. Seems like the consensus is that BP98 is best...

[Flip]

Mobil, BP and Shell and Caltex all share their terminal assets and own the NZ refinery, so the petrol is all the same. Gull import their own fuel. Caltex is not party to the Wiri and Christchurch pipeline agrement so have to truck fuel into these areas.
They do however add different additives when filling the delivery tankers which add some form of marketing point of diference. But the BP 98 is a unique to BP fuel.
The fuel we all buy has by law to comply with the NZ fuel regulations and the MOC-MOED kick @ss if the fuel is out of spec, and yes they do check.
I have never seen an underground service station tank being "cleaned". What is in the tank is what you get. If the station leaves the dip hatch open and rain water gets in you get wet fuel. I have seen a few being pumped out but never actually cleaned. This was usually because the tanker driver filled the petrol tank tith diesel or vice versa. The dispencers have strainers but not particle filters, the strainers are to protect the internal meter parts from nuts and bolts not your fuel injection system.
A few years ago I got a slug of water in the fuel from a Mobil Levin, I have some industry experience but even so was fobbed off until I threatened dobbing them in to the MOED. They paid for my fuel system on my bike to be drained and cleaned.
If you are having a problem with the fuel, call the company you got it from, take and keep a sample (one litre) and raise hell, you will usually find the fuel is a shandy or is wet.
Oh I like the BP 98 as well.

[YellowDog]

Good thread guys. I had tried 98 and found that I got more journeys to work out of it, but didn't really test it properly.

91 has been fine for me however I will give the higher octane another go.

[R1madness]

actually not all fuels are created equal. There is major differences in the blends and additives each company specifies. The trick is to find a gas your bike likes and try to stick to that brand as much as possable. We always ask what brand of gas do you use when doing tuning work and use the gas from your tank into a dummy tank for running the bikes while being serviced. Try changing from Shell to BP or visaversa and you will see what i mean...

[huff3r]

Sorry for bringing up an old thread...

Just a few things to point out:

Challenge, because it is owned by Chevron, is simply Caltex fuel without their "Techron" additive.

Also, Caltex puts far more of their "Techron" additive into their fuel than any of the other companies. Not because they need to, but because they can, and that way they end up with a high quality fuel. If only they had 98

[motorbyclist]

Also, Caltex puts far more of their "Techron" additive into their fuel than any of the other companies. Not because they need to, but because they can, and that way they end up with a high quality fuel. If only they had 98

so, does anyone even know what "Techron" is yet, and how this makes their fuel of a higher "quality" (whatever than means)?

no doubt it makes an improvement, of course, but they all put additives in, in varying amounts, so what you're saying is pretty meaningless really....

and do you get knocking on their premium fuel? if not, 98 is of no real benefit to you.

I just find what does/doesn't work, check the money per mileage figures, and stick with the the top two or three as location dictates


(and lol, no large company does stuff "because they can" without looking at the bottom line - if they find a good fuel is good for business they will sell it)

[vifferman]

In Mrka, "Techron" is sold as a fuel additive, to clean your fuel system and give moar pwer!

You coulda found this out yourself, by typing "what is techron" into Google.