One Class One Bike

[GSVR]

Here's something that has been kicking around on these threads for a while with F1 riders not getting much riding at the Vic Club rounds as they can't cross enter into any other groups. Only intending this to be a discussion as I won't be making any formal request for changes in how the Vic Club run their meetings as they do very well and you don't change something thats working well without alot of consideration.

The idea is to combine F1 and F2. Dont allow F3 to cross enter into the combined F1 and F2 class and give everyone slighlty longer or one more race per meeting. Cross entering from Post classics into F1 F2 or F3 could also be disscouraged. eg One bike per class.

So everyone gets the same amount of racing unless they own two bikes. The benefits may not be apparent but they will help a meeting to run smoother and cycle faster.

Ultimately it comes down to how many are entered in F1 but its generally full of F2 bikes anyway. Results can be the same way F3 and ProTwin are done. ie class within a class.

[GIXser]

Here's something that has been kicking around on these threads for a while with F1 riders not getting much riding at the Vic Club rounds as they can't cross enter into any other groups. Only intending this to be a discussion as I won't be making any formal request for changes in how the Vic Club run their meetings as they do very well and you don't change something thats working well without alot of consideration.

The idea is to combine F1 and F2. Dont allow F3 to cross enter into the combined F1 and F2 class and give everyone slighlty longer or one more race per meeting. Cross entering from Post classics into F1 F2 or F3 could also be disscouraged. eg One bike per class.

So everyone gets the same amount of racing unless they own two bikes. The benefits may not be apparent but they will help a meeting to run smoother and cycle faster.

Ultimately it comes down to how many are entered in F1 but its generally full of F2 bikes anyway. Results can be the same way F3 and ProTwin are done. ie class within a class.

yep couldnt agree more.. i started a similar thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=94460,

can i ask though why you wont request a change ?

[White trash]

yep couldnt agree more.. i started a similar thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=94460,

can i ask though why you wont request a change ?

Obviously Garry has his own reasons but I'd imagine one of them to be that he doesn't race, so why should he?

I'm of a similar opinion that if there's only 6 or 7 proper F1 bikes at a meeting, why not lump the F1 and F2 bikes into one race, seperate the points and give em two or three 15 lappers in a day.

Those that fail to qualify in the top 35 go to Clubman class.

As Garry has previously pointed out though, the way VMCC run their meetings is the best there is. I think it would take the support of the majority of F2 and F1 racers to make it happen and they may be a little far into their winter planning to be able to change now.

[Skunk]

"Proper F1"? If a bike in F2 can cross-enter then it is a "proper F1" isn't it?

Good ideas WT.

Yeah, I know what you mean... Nothing will happen this year but start the ideas for next year.
How do we encourage more litre bikes to race?
Do we need a new set of rules for "F1"?
How do we keep the costs under control? I've been told that you can run two 600's for the cost of running one 1000. True?

Discuss.

[White trash]

"Proper F1"? If a bike in F2 can cross-enter then it is a "proper F1" isn't it?

Good ideas WT.

Yeah, I know what you mean... Nothing will happen this year but start the ideas for next year.
How do we encourage more litre bikes to race?
Do we need a new set of rules for "F1"?
How do we keep the costs under control? I've been told that you can run two 600's for the cost of running one 1000. True?

Discuss.

You know what I mean mate, a 600 is certainly not an F1 machine.

No way could you run two 600s for the same price as a 1000. Unless your thousand was a total pig and ate tyres badly.

I think only allowing F1 bikes to compete in the F1 championship might be a start to encouraging more riders to move onto them. This would have a flow on effect into our National series as well I believe. Let's face it, there's not a lot of motivation for our current 600 Club Racers to change classes, they've got it sweet, why would they?

Edit: Sorry, in regards to the rules, I think they're fine but could maybe be changed to exclude under 700cc 4 stroke multis. The good thing about F1 now is there are a few hotrod bikes around (the late Grant Russels Fireblade springs to mind) that do not conform with the current NZSBK rules. It'd be cool to see a few of these machines getting dusted off and used. I mean technically, there's no reason someone with the money can't import a used 500GP machine and race it in F1 at the Actrix series. Shit, I'd pay a gate fee simply to see the thing being ridden. What about the BSL's? Someone must have them locked away, get them out ya wankers!

[Shaun P]

Bump up the cross entry fee and make F1 a prizemoney class? 1st 2nd 3rd

[CHOPPA]

"Proper F1"? If a bike in F2 can cross-enter then it is a "proper F1" isn't it?

Good ideas WT.

Yeah, I know what you mean... Nothing will happen this year but start the ideas for next year.
How do we encourage more litre bikes to race?
Do we need a new set of rules for "F1"?
How do we keep the costs under control? I've been told that you can run two 600's for the cost of running one 1000. True?

Discuss.

I like the idea of more racing! 600 is exactly the same to run in my experience so no excuses there..

I wanna get a 600 as well...

[Teambwr47]

Run the classes together and try and try to extrapolate the individual class results? .... no thanks, while the best of the 1000s should be ahead of the 600's there will always be a situation where someone gets held up by a semi fast 1000 that blasts the straights to hold up or ruin a 600 battle in the field and effect a championship even.

Why not stop the cross entry altogether and run F1 and F2 races on their own but then have an Open class race for all to enter.

If the F1 class does not have enough entries well sorry tough luck, if you're on a 1000 you'll have to put up with just the Open race.

I've raced at lots of clubs in the UK where they have a 600cc series, Powerbike (over 700cc) and then a Open or Unlimited class race.

Ultimately how far to you go with maintaining a class if the entry numbers drop?

The argument would seem to be that the 1000cc riders want 2 race classes, this would give them the 2 classes if the class numbers are ok.

[Kickaha]

Run the classes together and try and try to extrapolate the individual class results? .... no thanks,

shouldn't be hard to do using transponders

[Teambwr47]

shouldn't be hard to do using transponders

Yeah would be easy to get the results with transponders thats not what i was trying to say....

I was trying to say I'd be more concerned about trying to run a championship with both classes on track in the same race. It will never be a true F2 championship with the mid pace F1 bikes mixed into the field.

As a rider in F2 which is normally over subscribed at the VMCC, i also don't accept why the F2 championship should suffer to accommodate the F1's sorry.

[slowpoke]

I'm of a similar opinion that if there's only 6 or 7 proper F1 bikes at a meeting, why not lump the F1 and F2 bikes into one race, seperate the points and give em two or three 15 lappers in a day.

Those that fail to qualify in the top 35 go to Clubman class.

As Garry has previously pointed out though, the way VMCC run their meetings is the best there is. I think it would take the support of the majority of F2 and F1 racers to make it happen and they may be a little far into their winter planning to be able to change now.

Totally agree with the racing scenario, Mr Trash. The things are so close in lap times there's no reason they can't race together and have 2 races within one. I mean look at the top finishers from last season, 3 of the top 4 finishers were on 600's all season and the 4th (the winner, Mr Sloan) started on a 600 I think.

No reason at all something can't happen this season, we aren't talking major machinery changes just fine tuning the entry rules. The season is still nearly 2 months away.[/COLOR]

How do we encourage more litre bikes to race?

By giving them equal track time, simple.

Do we need a new set of rules for "F1"? Nope

How do we keep the costs under control? I've been told that you can run two 600's for the cost of running one 1000. True?

This is club racing, not the Nationals and people can take it as seriously or as casual as they want. Individuals dictate the costs at this level. If people can afford to run a 600 in 2 classes then costs are not the issue.
Discuss.

I've already approached Vic Club about what I see as major problem with club racing in NZ.

Hopefully something will come of it and we'll have a truly aspirational series that steers our brightest and best onto the biggest baddest machines rather than stalling them in the half way house that is 600's. Our sport will benefit overall as a spectacle for spectators, sponsors and TV alike.

Yes, Vic Club run a great series but there's no reason it can't be better still. The longer we leave it the worse it will get as the few remaining Superbike riders get the shits with it and go to other classes. Some may see that as a good thing but it will be a sad day for our sport when Superbikes disappear.

[GSVR]

Yeah would be easy to get the results with transponders thats not what i was trying to say....

I was trying to say I'd be more concerned about trying to run a championship with both classes on track in the same race. It will never be a true F2 championship with the mid pace F1 bikes mixed into the field.

As a rider in F2 which is normally over subscribed at the VMCC, i also don't accept why the F2 championship should suffer to accommodate the F1's sorry.

Well just looking at last years VMCC Superbike results 600s came 2nd 3rd and 4th overall. Theres no doubt in my mind if Craig Sheriffs had done the winter series on a 600 he would have won it. So if anything it gives 2 people riding Superbikes a shot a podium..

No different ot having backmarkers decide a race. Its the guy that knows how to overtake, outbreak, etc that deserves the result. And its gotta be good for gaining race skills.

[Racey Rider]

F1 'B' grade?

In the same races as F1, allow a 'B' grade of riders on 1000cc bikes 5 years or older. (the bikes, not the riders). Separtate points. Give more riders a feel for the class, on cheaper bikes.
and when they are ready... Riders will step up to the top grade.

Just a thought.

Racey.

[White trash]

It will never be a true F2 championship with the mid pace F1 bikes mixed into the field.

So what? It's not a true F1 championship with 600s in the mix. I don't believe having two seperate classes on track is that much of an issue. A mid pack 1000 is no different from a mid pack 600. You can either get by the guy, or you can't. It's the same for everybody.

As a rider in F2 which is normally over subscribed at the VMCC, i also don't accept why the F2 championship should suffer to accommodate the F1's sorry.

It wont suffer at all I don't think. How many rounds last year were riders turned away from the grid in the F2 class? None I can remember.

[Shaun P]

Its been said before but I think the answer would be to run a simple grading system eg A and B in F1 and F2 - kept seperate, that would give the slower pace riders something to ride for eg 1st 'B' grade and boost numbers accordingly. Wouldnt be a safety issue in 6 lap races, also the open race is a good idea because it gives the faster more commited riders more track time