Winter Series rules ...and laps

[GIXser]

So im thinkin the winter series is upon us soon.. and i havent checked but maybe some people can shed some light on the matter..


can F2 cross enter again into F1 and is this mainly because of past poor grid sizes..

seing as last year the F1 grid was mainly an F2 grid should this be allowed if there are sufficient entries for superbike, ie 15 for superbikes for instance ?

i am currently undecided on the matter.. but starting to give it some thought because as it currently sits i would be better to get a 600 to cross enter so we get two lots of races in..will this mean F1 will dissapear ? just to have two F2 races, (not really fair to other classes)

whilst im here and on topic, last year the laps were 6 laps or so, hardly a race more like a sprint, who would like to see longer races in F1 and F 2 formula 3, even if it means cutting other classes, ( i myself have wondered in the past if i should go all the way down to manfield for 2 races) now with these economic times upon us, people may swing that way

to the organisers , this is not a dig, but merely a suggestion to make the racing more enjoyable for riders and spectators and worthwhile to riders, (i know there are many two day events in this now, but i for one strongly suggest longer races, ie a minimum of 10 laps..

thoughts anyone? ps this is constructive critisism, as i think a good series is run...but....just the above i think everyone in their specific class will want the most out of their racing... but in my view if you get pathetic entries.. for example superbikes. then why not just scratch that class and chuck the f1 in with 600..!!

[Shaun P]

Im for having them split into seperate classes but if the numbers arent there for F1 the F2 bikes should be allowed to cross enter after F1 bikes eg if there are 2 qualifiers going for the last spot one being a 600 with a faster lap time and the other being a 1000, the 1000 should qualify.

[ArcherWC]

And only the 1000's should get points in F1 (same goes for other cross entered classes, ie you only get points for your championship class)

[wharfy]

So im thinkin the winter series is upon us soon.. and i havent checked but maybe some people can shed some light on the matter..


can F2 cross enter again into F1 and is this mainly because of past poor grid sizes..

seing as last year the F1 grid was mainly an F2 grid should this be allowed if there are sufficient entries for superbike, ie 15 for superbikes for instance ?

i am currently undecided on the matter.. but starting to give it some thought because as it currently sits i would be better to get a 600 to cross enter so we get two lots of races in..will this mean F1 will dissapear ?

whilst im here and on topic, last year the laps were 6 laps or so, hardly a race more like a sprint, who would like to see longer races in F1 and F 2 formula 3, even if it means cutting other classes, ( i myself have wondered in the past if i should go all the way down to manfield for 2 races) now with these economic times upon us, people may swing that way

to the organisers , this is not a dig, but merely a suggestion to make the racing more enjoyable for riders and spectators and worthwhile to riders, (i know there are many two day events in this now, but i for one strongly suggest longer races, ie a minimum of 10 laps..

thoughts anyone? ps this is constructive critisism, as i think a good series is run...but....just the above

I have to say I enjoyed the 10 lap races when we had then, so if they can be squeezed in that is cool. I can't think of what class could be dropped as all the classes are well subscrbed ( I think 600/F2 was sometimes oversubscribed and the non- qualifiers raced with us in clubmans ) I would not like to see clubmans (or any other class for that matter) have their track time reduced so F1 could get more laps - They paid the same entry fee and transponder hire. For some the streetstock or clubmans class is a stepping stone to bigger and better (well FASTER) things but for some it is the only class they can or want to compete in.
The Sound of Thunder meeting at Ruapuna has what they call "Bracket Races" where riders are grouped according to lap times from "class" races, regardless of what they are riding. (three groups A B & C VMCC may need 4 "brackets" to get grid sizes down to suit Manfield) This makes for very exciting racing and it pretty much comes down to rider skill. It is safe as all the fastest riders are in A bracket slowest in C. As an example looking at lap times at the closing rounds last year I would have been dicing with Clivoris even though my bike was twice the capacity and 20 years younger. (he probably would win cause his bike is yellow which is a fast colour )
I thought it worked well. - Just an Idea.

Umm... I guess that superbikes/F1 could do 10 laps in the time clubmans did 8 so maybe it could be done on "track time" instead of laps so you get 15 mins and the white flag comes out ? Starting to sound like a track day a bit ?

I have done a few different meetings now (I am still a newbie in the scheme of things though) and the VMCC ones seemed to be the slickest.

[Nasty]

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thoughts anyone? ps this is constructive critisism, as i think a good series is run...but....just the above

Thoughts are great .. but do not expect Vic Club to take note of things on this site .. please collect the ideas and send them through to admin@vicclub.co.nz that way something will be done with them, and it can be added to the business to be discussed.

VMCC have monthly meetings 3rd Tuesday of each month - Make sure ideas are sent in as early as possible for consideration - e.g. April so I can put on the agenda for a discussion to be had.

Cheers
Kari
Secretray
VMCC

[scracha]

who would like to see longer races in F1 and F 2 formula 3, even if it means cutting other classes, ( i myself have wondered in

Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

[Racey Rider]

Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Would free up more time.
No transponers.... Would need more volunteers for marshalls...

Just thinkin out loud....

Racey

[koba]

Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

+1

How it stands now maximises it for everyone within the track time available.

[GIXser]

Thoughts are great .. but do not expect Vic Club to take note of things on this site .. please collect the ideas and send them
Cheers
Kari
Secretray
VMCC

thank you kari, will do

Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

i probably wrote it up a bit wrong there Scracha.. i also mean say for instance if F1 doesnt get enough entries, maybe we should scracha...eeermm scratch that (sorry couldnt help myself there...) my post applies to all classes,
ie if there are 15 F2 bikes in F1 and only 5 1000's entered its basically another F2 race... whilst other people get just 6 laps..

Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Would free up more time.
No transponers.... Would need more volunteers for marshalls...

Just thinkin out loud....

Racey

good point , but i think logistically pretty hard to run,

+1

How it stands now maximises it for everyone within the track time available.

correct i agree

I have to say I enjoyed the 10 lap races when we had then, so if they can be squeezed in that is cool. I can't think of what class could be dropped as all the classes are well subscrbed ( I think 600/F2 was sometimes oversubscribed and the non- qualifiers raced with us in clubmans ) I would not like to see clubmans (or any other class for that matter) have their track time reduced so F1 could get more laps - They paid the same entry fee and transponder hire. For some the streetstock or clubmans class is a stepping stone to bigger and better (well FASTER) things but for some it is the only class they can or want to compete in.
The Sound of Thunder meeting at Ruapuna has what they call "Bracket Races" where riders are grouped according to lap times from "class" races, regardless of what they are riding. (three groups A B & C VMCC may need 4 "brackets" to get grid sizes down to suit Manfield) This makes for very exciting racing and it pretty much comes down to rider skill. It is safe as all the fastest riders are in A bracket slowest in C. As an example looking at lap times at the closing rounds last year I would have been dicing with Clivoris even though my bike was twice the capacity and 20 years younger. (he probably would win cause his bike is yellow which is a fast colour )
I thought it worked well. - Just an Idea.

Umm... I guess that superbikes/F1 could do 10 laps in the time clubmans did 8 so maybe it could be done on "track time" instead of laps so you get 15 mins and the white flag comes out ? Starting to sound like a track day a bit ?

I have done a few different meetings now (I am still a newbie in the scheme of things though) and the VMCC ones seemed to be the slickest.

i agree clubmans should definately not be dropped..

[ArcherWC]

Umm... I guess that superbikes/F1 could do 10 laps in the time clubmans did 8 so maybe it could be done on "track time" instead of laps so you get 15 mins and the white flag comes out ? Starting to sound like a track day a bit ?

This is not as silly as it sounds, MX has allways done it this way, ie the nationals are 20 mins (or 25 cant remember) plus 1 lap.
It actually makes the day easier to plan and is in a way fairer, ie all classes get the same amount of tracktime, it just means the faster classes get more laps

[CHOPPA]

Sure, I''d be willing to have a 2 lap post classic race so you can get more tracktime.....as if. Maybe we should cut even more of the track-time for the poor buggers in Clubmans. Sheesh.

To be honest, most of the race positions seem to be sorted by about lap 3 so I'm quite happy with 6 lappers for the majority of the series.

Sounds fair, then they would have more time to clean up all the oil haha

Na its not fair, but yeah the idea of F1 and F2 combined instead of F1 and F2 combined and an F2 race seems like a good idea. Then make it a 15 lap race

[Clivoris]

Great to have the suggestions and it will be good to have them formally put through the correct channels. Even an open letter to the committee and the Oily Rag?
We'll have to sit down with Mel (Pres and Clerk of Course), who has the institutional knowledge of what happens to "y" when "x" is changed. Would something like an invitational, non-points race at the end of the day (if there was time) address track time concerns? Or is it pointless, if there are no points up for grabs?

[GIXser]

Great to have the suggestions and it will be good to have them formally put through the correct channels. Even an open letter to the committee and the Oily Rag?
We'll have to sit down with Mel (Pres and Clerk of Course), who has the institutional knowledge of what happens to "y" when "x" is changed. Would something like an invitational, non-points race at the end of the day (if there was time) address track time concerns? Or is it pointless, if there are no points up for grabs?

yeah for sure, ill email something through !!
cheers mate

[scracha]

Re longer race's...
What if Streetstock and Motard's were to use just the Manfield track extension, while other classes were on the main track?
Just thinkin out loud....
Racey

Excellent idea. Wot 'bout Streetstock on main track and motards on extension simultaneously. Then swap em round after lunch and watch the carnage.

And can we get some jumps, mud and water to make it proper motard racing instead of chook chasers road racing?

Sounds fair, then they would have more time to clean up all the oil haha

But more time would be spent sweeping up the F2 plastics and kneesliders.

[Quasievil]

And can we get some jumps, mud and water to make it proper motard racing instead of chook chasers road racing?

No because most of the Motard riders dont want dirt sections, and most other classes will bitch about the dirt being dragged onto the main track