Exemption: DENIED.

[Ixion]

Yes. But none of these are either licence conditions , or a complete alcohol ban. The limit for under twenties is low (sucks to be youff), but it is not zero. And it is not a condition of the learner licence. AFAIAA the alcohol limit for a learner licence is the same as anyone else.

[YLWDUC]

Samgab, honestly land and transport wouldnt find your reasoning worth an exemption. Its not their problem its just yours mate, if your job requires riding out of hours then its up to you to find another job that fits in with your riding times.

If it's the curfew issue at stake, there are plenty of car drivers that have done exactly the same thing and just asked for permission to drive on XX day after hours on YY route to and from work/night classes/soup kitchen etc. The intent of the curfew is that for the most part, L and R drivers are kept off the road in the most dangerous times and are less likely to be involved in drunk driving etc.

Yes, there are plenty of inconsistencies in the way exemptions are granted or not, but that's another issue.

[piston broke]

ok,i skimmed all the posts.but.
as far as i'm concerned the only exemption should be to ride out of stated hours(i didn't know this was the case till now)
there is no way that a learner should be allowed to ride more than the given cc rateing.
learners licence is there for a reason.it's cause you probably don't have the right skills.
i think they should do the same with cars,i.e normaly aspirated.under 2.0l

[NOMIS]

ok,i skimmed all the posts.but.
as far as i'm concerned the only exemption should be to ride out of stated hours(i didn't know this was the case till now)
there is no way that a learner should be allowed to ride more than the given cc rateing.
learners licence is there for a reason.it's cause you probably don't have the right skills.
i think they should do the same with cars,i.e normaly aspirated.under 2.0l

You must be old,

How ever when I have children.. and it comes to buying car's now way in hell will the be allowed something fast.. start out in the equivilant of a 1.3L corolla. Same goes for bike's if they want one, (hopefully not)

[Patrick]

? . where is that mandated ? I don't see it in the licence conditions clauses of Driver Licencing Road Rule 1999.

learners (poss restricted too) under 20 who get done for eba get 50 demerits as well... Fully licenced do not...

[samgab]

If it's the curfew issue at stake, there are plenty of car drivers that have done exactly the same thing and just asked for permission to drive on XX day after hours on YY route to and from work/night classes/soup kitchen etc. The intent of the curfew is that for the most part, L and R drivers are kept off the road in the most dangerous times and are less likely to be involved in drunk driving etc.

Yes, there are plenty of inconsistencies in the way exemptions are granted or not, but that's another issue.

You get it.
When I was 15, and on my learners, sure I was perhaps not completely equipped to be in control of a vehicle at night. Things look different, it can be harder to judge distances and speeds when you're not used to it, and yes, it takes practise to get used to that.
But I've been in control of vehicles at night for years now, so that that issue is no longer a problem.
Also, when one is simply going home from work to sleep, alcohol isn't a factor. Maybe in some other road users...
But my travelling in Auckland at 4am is actually safer than when I head in to work at 8am or home at 5pm.
But I'm not going to keep whining about it, I accept that it was declined. Just wanted to have a bit of a rant at the time.
I'm just going to apply for my full licence, no big deal.

[mozzee]

I personally just take the risk on my restricted. So far I have been lucky enough to get off. Infact I got off every time even when I was on a learners without L plates and speeding too. KNOCKING ON WOOD! But then again I am a female - maybe it makes a little difference (sorry guys)!

I'd suggest just taking the risk Sam. Most cops are pretty good and when you tell them what you do for a living I'm pretty sure they will let you off. Unless of course you were going 180km/h and just killed a pedestrian - that would be different!!

I have just gone through the exact same probs with lowering the allowance from my restricted to the full... And to make matters even worse I'm 24! BUT I turn 25 during the period that I am allegable to go for my full - so this just confuses them even more!!

I have spoken to about 8 different people at LTSA and about 5 at the AA, and they have all given me different advice. Ranging from yes you can go for your full after 3 months because you are 25 at the time of sitting it, to no you can't because you haven't been 25 for long enough so you have to wait 6 months, no your defensive cert is not for motorbikes so wait a year, when does the cert expire (there's no date), no you have to do a special motorbike course, etc etc (you get the point).

So the moment I turn 25 (next month) I will be heading to the AA with my defensive driving cert (7 years old) and see where I get (Even if I have to make several phone calls to LTSA whilst standing in the AA line)!!

[samgab]

You'll probably beat your head against a brick wall on this. They say you can't fight city hall and this is one of those cases.

Go out and buy a 50cc cheapie and commute on your car licence.

Ha, funny you should say that, because it was commuting on a 50cc that got me back into biking again. Then I found it was too gutless to maintain speed up the steep Auckland hills, so I went for a 150, and then to a 250...
The other really odd thing, is that the VTR250 uses only a fraction less petrol than the 50cc used to.
But there are extra expenses; like WOF, more expensive Rego, tyres, and such. Still happier riding the VTR than the scooter
Also, now I can do fun trips like the Coro loop, which would be just no fun at all on a moped.