Whats the next whinge going to be from Ducati?

[98tls]

Things dont seem to be going there way so after the foot stampings over one has to wonder what form the whinging will take this time and once again will the powers that be bend over and take a raping to accommodate them.http://www.superbike-news.co.uk/RaceResults.html

[Elysium]

What are they whinging about? Net is capped so don't have time to sort through that page you posted as it's taking too long to load.

[98tls]

What are they whinging about? Net is capped so don't have time to sort through that page you posted as it's taking too long to load.

Was just a link to the results.Things didnt go there way so no doubt history will be repeated and they will attempt once again to have an advantage,nobody wants to sit outside a cafe on a bike that came second.

[Elysium]

Might see the new Ducati 1298 come out then and also a rule change from the govening body I surpose.

[98tls]

No doubt,wouldnt be surprised if the rest are sent back to 750cc just to be sure,fuck em i reckon,why they bend over and just dont say "fuck off and race Buell" i dont know.Err actually ive an idea why and the reality is its well sad.

[wbks]

I never really liked the idea that because an engine is naturally inferior to another in its fundamental design, the rules will change to accomodate it because someone stands to make profit. eg intro of fourstrokes into MX

[puddytat]

Why dont they do what Aprilla have done & go the V-way? Must be a worry that RSVR is on it so soon....
Do they think that they'd lose customers or summing?

[98tls]

For awhile anyway "long may it continue".No doubt latte sales are on the decline.Can imagine a few of the knobs turning up at rallys with under inflated blimp suits and blue n white Ducs.

[Eddieb]

So exactly what whinging is this thread about?

No context or information about what Ducati is supposedly whinging about has been provided, so the only whinge so far is the original post which just sounds like whinging for the sake of attention if no detail is provided to back it up.

[imdying]

So exactly what whinging is this thread about?

If you've followed a little production based raced, you'll know that Ducati have a bit of a cry, a bit of a sook, when they start losing. Twins are inferior to fours for racing, but it's their 'heritage' so they persevere, and get accommodated by the rule makers so everyone can make some money This thread is just preempting the next cry.

MotoGP has been bloody excellent in that regard... Ducati stepped up, tossed the twins, built a four, and kicked arse. Which is how it should be (well obviously not the kicking arse bit, that's just the icing on the cake of course)

[Eddieb]

If you've followed a little production based raced, you'll know that Ducati have a bit of a cry, a bit of a sook, when they start losing. Twins are inferior to fours for racing, but it's their 'heritage' so they persevere, and get accommodated by the rule makers so everyone can make some money This thread is just preempting the next cry.

MotoGP has been bloody excellent in that regard... Ducati stepped up, tossed the twins, built a four, and kicked arse. Which is how it should be (well obviously not the kicking arse bit, that's just the icing on the cake of course)

I'm well aware of the historical moaning by Ducati and despite owning 2 I'm not enough of a fanboy to claim that they are right.
Also while I wouldn't say the twin is inferior I would agree it's not the ideal engine configuration in an arena where peak power rules, bending the class rules to suit the manufacturers chosen setup does not create a fair and even playng field.

This thread however does still seem to be moaning for the sake of moaning.

[imdying]

Also while I wouldn't say the twin is inferior I would agree it's not the ideal engine configuration in an arena where peak power rules, bending the class rules to suit the manufacturers chosen setup does not create a fair and even playng field.

Yep, not inferior, just inferior for racing... and even then, just that particular type of racing.

Totally agree about the even playing field... I've yet to see a racing class which intermingles engine configurations fairly. Godzilla 2.6 IL6 twin turbo computer controlled 4WD vs 5.0L pushrod V8 RWD... nice spectacle, but a totally retarded concept/contest; best thing the Aussies did to Bathurst was dumping one or the other (shame it was the V8s that won out though )

This thread however does still seem to be moaning for the sake of moaning.

Heh, yup. However I think Mike is just having a hard time of it at the moment, wouldn't hurt for us to cut him some slack

[Badjelly]

Given that this World SBK is a production-based series, I don't think it's unreasonable to have different capacity limits for different bike configurations. The problem with the old (pre-2004?) rules was that the 33% capacity advantage of a 1000 twin over a 750 four was too large. The current 20% is about right. In terms of weight and performance, a Ducati 1198 is comparable to a Japanese 1000 four, whereas a Ducati 999 was altogether more machine than a 750 four.

In Supersport, triples are allowed a 12.5% capacity advantage vs a four, and twins a 25% advantage. This wasn't enough for the Ducati 750, so they replaced the bike with an 850 so they didn't have to compete. (And a damned nice bike it is, by all accounts.) But who would disagree that the Dayton 675 has woken up the world of middleweight sportsbikes and should be allowed to compete in World SS?

[Pwalo]

Given that this World SBK is a production-based series, I don't think it's unreasonable to have different capacity limits for different bike configurations. The problem with the old (pre-2004?) rules was that the 33% capacity advantage of a 1000 twin over a 750 four was too large. The current 20% is about right. In terms of weight and performance, a Ducati 1198 is comparable to a Japanese 1000 four, whereas a Ducati 999 was altogether more machine than a 750 four.

In Supersport, triples are allowed a 12.5% capacity advantage vs a four, and twins a 25% advantage. This wasn't enough for the Ducati 750, so they replaced the bike with an 850 so they didn't have to compete. (And a damned nice bike it is, by all accounts.) But who would disagree that the Dayton 675 has woken up the world of middleweight sportsbikes and should be allowed to compete in World SS?

Well the WSB/WSS set up isn't as difficult to understand as the AMA set up! They've got Buell 1125Rs and Ducati 848s competing against the Japanese 600s.

[stevo2001]

It maybe when Ducati were saying the Aprilia was a prototype and not a production bike.Here's a link ,if you wanna bother http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...d.php?t=172098 .Piaggio(who owns Aprilia)sales were up 64% last year.A fair % of that was bikes off Ducati(I was one convert in 2000).Basically,eventually Ducati are gonna push for extra cc's and or some weight advantage.They will be really pissed off,when Aprilia gets the tire wear thing sorted out.Still Spies on the R1 is gonna be in the mix.Now!,you guy's get back to work.4.45pm on St Pats day here in Denver I'm off downtown.