Moral dilemma -advice please

[Bass]

I have followed this thread with some interest.
Frosty, congratulations on your integrity. It appears to be an increasingly rare commodity.
I was amazed at the number of people who, especially early in this thread, suggested that you lie to the lad in some way. I understand that the proposed deceit was for his own good, but it was still lying.
I cannot understand how some could suggest this to you in response to a question where you were demonstrating your own personal integrity.
Perhaps I am a complete dinosaur, but I have been disturbed at the complete acceptance that deceit is just an ordinary part of life.

[Big Dave]

I have followed this thread with some interest.
Frosty, congratulations on your integrity. It appears to be an increasingly rare commodity.
I was amazed at the number of people who, especially early in this thread, suggested that you lie to the lad in some way. I understand that the proposed deceit was for his own good, but it was still lying.
I cannot understand how some could suggest this to you in response to a question where you were demonstrating your own personal integrity.
Perhaps I am a complete dinosaur, but I have been disturbed at the complete acceptance that deceit is just an ordinary part of life.

Or

Karma is a bitch.

[Bass]

Or

Karma is a bitch.

Dave,
I must also be pretty slow, because I can't work out whether you are attacking or supporting my point of view there.

[Forest]

Somebody told me a story like this recently.

Except in case he went ahead and booked the sale ... of a new Ducati 848 to a 21 year old with a learner license.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Somebody told me a story like this recently.

Except in case he went ahead and booked the sale ... of a new Ducati 848 to a 21 year old with a learner license.

Casey Stoner was (until recently) 21. Now 22 IIRC. He might not have a street motorbike licence. Though he would conceivably be not required to PURCHASE an 848

God, I'd LOVE an 848.

[Burtha]

Tell him you will only sell him that bike if he gives you a blowjob with a full swallow.

aaahhh - but what if he agrees - his delimna is still no better, just less tension ...

[MarkH]

A youngish chap wanders into the shop looking at bikes. We have a bit of a yarn and he's got a learners licence. Ok conversation carrys on and I show him a couple of 250's . Things progress in a promising manner so away we go on a test ride. Clearly this chap is on a licence to learn. His ride skills are basicly non existent.
Back to the shop and we yarn some more and the young chap hauls a wad of cash out of pocket. "Yep I want that one" pointing to a much bigger more powerfull bike.

Heres the dillema.
How do I tell him he can't have the bike in a way thats gonna keep him happy? Or at least not pissed off with us?
Him buying that bike off me is not an option but I just can't figure out how to sugar the pill. Ive already told him about licence requirements etc.

What I really wanna say is "Go away, learn to ride propperly then come back for a grunty bike if you are still keen"

Diplomacy - the art of telling someone to fuck off in a way that has them looking forward to the trip.

What I would suggest (and I am presuming that the situation is bound to crop up again) is that you tell the young sack of testosterone that you can't sell him the bike because he doesn't have the necessary experience to handle it yet and you are not willing to have his death/maiming on your conscience. Tell him that you are happy to sell him a 250 and recommend training/mentor/RRRS course/etc. and will give him a good deal on a trade in when he is ready to move up to a bigger bike. No need to sugar coat anything, just tell him you wont sell him the bigger bike and tell him why. After all why should you suffer the guilt and sleepless nights with his death on your conscience?

[elle-f]

Yeah, a friend (biking) of mine turned up today on a beautiful looking R6 but he only has his learners and quite frankly, that bike is pretty powerful for him. I wanted to get into the whole "They shouldn't have sold it to you blah blah" but didn't because he wouldn't have listened anyhow. I just hope that he doesn't fall off whilst going too fast for himself.

[FROSTY:Me]

Yeah, a friend (biking) of mine turned up today on a beautiful looking R6 but he only has his learners and quite frankly, that bike is pretty powerful for him. I wanted to get into the whole "They shouldn't have sold it to you blah blah" but didn't because he wouldn't have listened anyhow. I just hope that he doesn't fall off whilst going too fast for himself.

Hes not from auckland is he ?