TV1 - Close Up @ 7.00pm - Returning riders causing accidents (20 March)

[MSTRS:Me]

What i think the close up programme was trying to say...

...More people are getting bikes lately... so there are more on the road and subsequently more motorcycle road deaths. Even for this experienced rider whose friends and family thought was a good rider - things can go tragically wrong. That's the nature of the beast. An increasing amount of motorcycles on the roads, largely in part from born again bikers is going mean increasing fatalities.

Almost. But I reckon how it came across was that there are more 'old' people on bikes due to the BABs, who are buying Harleys that they can't ride. The subtle message was that Harleys kill 'old' people. Especially when coupled with a rider who isn't good enough. All true enough, but no way near all of the truth.

[Katman]

Taking the thread back to the "educating fucking car drivers" statement, I'm wondering what amount of educating of car drivers would have altered the bike versus bike double fatality near Mangakino a couple of months ago, or the bike versus bike accident at Akaroa a couple of weeks prior to that, or for that matter, any one of the motorcycle fatalities that have occurred through no fault of a car driver.

It was lucky the "educating car drivers" statement wasn't mentioned on the Close Up segment as it could easily be misinterpreted as attempting to whitewash motorcyclists which would make us look particularly foolish in the eyes of the general public.

[dipshit]

I'm wondering what amount of educating of car drivers would have altered the bike versus bike double fatality near Mangakino a couple of months ago, or the bike versus bikes accident at Akaroa a couple of weeks prior to that

Or the Harley that rear ended a Triumph (or was it the other way around???) that had stopped to give way at a one-way bridge after the March Hare rally the other weekend.

[Horse]

Here is the secret... Do not sign the release until they have showed you the finished (edited) version that they intend to broadcast.

Nobody interviewed for TV News in NZ signs a release form.

[Pixie]

I deride your truth-handling abilities, you non-truth handler you.

Bart: We want the truth!
Sideshow Bob: You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. No truth-handler, you. Bah! I deride your truth-handling abilities.

[MSTRS:Me]

No sympathy for dickhead riders who off themselves. No, my sympathies lie with the innocent party.
Ignorance of consequences and dickhead behaviour exists in/on all forms of vehicle. Not denying that at all.
The difference is that the dickhead in car who hits a bike, or puts him/herself in the path of a bike, walks away. The rider doesn't. And usually the rider was doing no wrong.

[dipshit]

I am one of dipshits pack of BIKERS so I must be a causative factor afterall.

Not at all. I think female riders make much better road riders because they don't seem to get caught up in egotistical showing off dick measuring bullshit like male riders do.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...&postcount=117

And it's always good to see some of the hottest sports bikes at rallies like R1's and MV F4's being owned by woman. I reckon they will just get on with riding their own ride and enjoying their nice bikes for themselves rather than trying to prove anything to everyone.

[Pixie]

Worst of it is the reporter has no control over editing

Is it any suprise?

There was one on recently who didn't know what a malady was.

I'm suprised they can remember to take the next breath

[Swoop]

Nobody interviewed for TV News in NZ signs a release form.

It must be only TV3 then.
I had to sign one a couple of years ago.

[Horse]

It must be only TV3 then.
I had to sign one a couple of years ago.

For News? Or some other programme?

[Swoop]

For News? Or some other programme?

An "other" programme. Close Up should fall under that category with pre-recorded segments that are broadcast after editing.

[Horse]

An "other" programme. Close Up should fall under that category with pre-recorded segments that are broadcast after editing.

All news is "pre-recorded segments broadcast after editing", just with the occasional live thrown in to give it (fake) immediacy. Close Up and Campbell Live are run out of their respective News operations, and operate accordingly. So no releases are used.

Other current affairs shows and programmes are typically run from separate production units or external production companies, so they may use release forms. But News doesn't.

[MarkH]

Taking the thread back to the "educating fucking car drivers" statement, I'm wondering what amount of educating of car drivers would have altered the bike versus bike double fatality near Mangakino a couple of months ago, or the bike versus bike accident at Akaroa a couple of weeks prior to that, or for that matter, any one of the motorcycle fatalities that have occurred through no fault of a car driver.

Clearly educating car drivers would be of a huge benefit, since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers. Many of those don't kill the rider, which is worse for ACC because an injured rider costs them more than a dead one.

Clearly educating motorcycle riders would be of huge benefit, since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by the rider.

How much education you can provide and how much good it does is what it really comes down to, but if all motorists were better educated and skilled then many accidents could be avoided.

[BigG]

Only reason oldies die on their bikes is cos of heart attacks or other senior things, to much adrenalin rush when they go over 100 not used to it with the modern bikes dont have to twust the throttle much to be doing over a 100 klicks ( I'm talking mph )

[Katman]

since 50% of motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers.

I'll see your 50 and raise you 25.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...-Factsheet.pdf

75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are the primary fault of the motorcyclist.

(Bearing in mind it's the fatal accidents that feature predominantly in the eyes of the general public).