did any of you see the dest buggers in town

[Madmax]

who the f**k would give money to watch this
ar!Ehole bag anyone

[outlawtorn]

i couldn't agree more

[Coldkiwi]

so what did you see max?
Did you watch the march walk past or just the coverage on TV?

[Coldkiwi]

2 days go by and no other posts? Did no one else got upset with Destiny church getting on TV again?
You're kidding me right?

[Blakamin]

2 days go by and no other posts? Did no one else got upset with Destiny church getting on TV again?
You're kidding me right?

missed it... or I woulda been pissed off....

[Jackrat]

People have just got used to em'.
An don't really care. :spudwhat:

[Madmax]

i got involved with some old punk mates
(of corse) who the hell would give there
own money to buy that wanker a bike
,shit something like 10% of there pay
had to put up with his bullshit for half an hour
(f**k made me wont to puke)

[cammo]

i got involved with some old punk mates
(of corse) who the hell would give there
own money to buy that wanker a bike
,shit something like 10% of there pay
had to put up with his bullshit for half an hour
(f**k made me wont to puke)

i missed it on hte news...but are you emplying that the destiny church members money got used to buy the leader dude bike? if so im guessing you dont know about the tamaki brother (one of which is destinys leader) who own a tourism company and have had harleys (if thats wha he was riding) for years and earn like a couple mill every year from their tourism business?

if not them im completly off the plot and dpont bother reading into what ive sed!

[Coldkiwi]

i missed it on hte news...but are you emplying that the destiny church members money got used to buy the leader dude bike? if so im guessing you dont know about the tamaki brother (one of which is destinys leader) who own a tourism company and have had harleys (if thats wha he was riding) for years and earn like a couple mill every year from their tourism business?

if not them im completly off the plot and dpont bother reading into what ive sed!

you're not allowed to approach the issue of Destiny OR Brian Tamaki from a fair and reasonable point of view. Thats not allowed on this site :spudwhat: (apparently?)
Please follow mad max's example and offer some uninformed comment and profanity on your next post or you'll get sorted right out!

[cammo]

you're not allowed to approach the issue of Destiny OR Brian Tamaki from a fair and reasonable point of view. Thats not allowed on this site :spudwhat: (apparently?)
Please follow mad max's example and offer some uninformed comment and profanity on your next post or you'll get sorted right out!

Right...ok just replace the names with ....... ull still get my point!

[outlawtorn]

I saw that program on telly one morning, twins on harleys cruising around with other harley riders through the south island. Never knoew that one of the is the leader of DC.

in my humble but often crazy opinion:

religion should stay the hell out of politics, it has no bearing at all on it and if DC doesn't like gay marraige, well then don't marry gay people then, they won't harm you so just leave them the fuck alone, all they want is what we take for granted, marraige!

These church leaders burn my arse. I despise any kind of organised religion. Religion is personal and should be kept that way, between you and whoever you want to believe in/love/worship!!

[Paul in NZ]

If Mr tamaki want to follow in the family footsteps of beguiling loads of cloth eared kitten jugglers with a well scripted show business entertainment enterprise and collect a healthy revenue for doing so, all power to the man!

When Mr tamaki tells me he intends running the country in the name of the Lord. (or a version of the Lord revealed exclusively to him, but franchise opportunities exist) Then it's time for us all to be getting a little concerned about what exactly is in that snake oil he is pedling.

If you think moving NZ from a Constitutional Monarchy to a Republic is a big deal, just wait until ole helmet hair moves us to a Theoracy....

There are a very few truely dangerous thoughts, but religious leaders running secular affairs would be one of them...

Paul N

[Coldkiwi]

religion should stay the hell out of politics,

True. But what has got Destiny's goat (and others that are less in the public view) is that the politicians are not staying the hell out of religion. The recent crop of social-orientated laws that this Govt has introduced and is talking of introducing seems to many people (some christian, some muslim, some jewish, some agnostic,atheist.. the list goes on) to be undermining the good work of churches trying to make society a more loving and healthy place. (before anyone gets offended at that, I recommend they ask their local church what community services they provide and how many different groups they donate to/ work for etc).
So I guess with that in mind, is it surprising (although not particularly desirable given Destiny's approach to some issues) that they have formed a political party to try and bring change? Its a pretty desperate measure for a church to have to set up a poltical party because thats the only way they feel they can effect change.

Religion is personal and should be kept that way, between you and whoever you want to believe in/love/worship!!

I agree fully. That way, if the government want to tell make your kids believe something you think is utterly damaging to their life (based on your families religious beliefs) then they should just butt out.

but again... thats not where this govt is aiming the nation. Petitions, submissions, letters to the editor all get ignored so whats left? Maybe marching up Queen St didn't get portrayed the way the churches involved want it to be portrayed but perhaps you guys can see how its got to the stage where it had to happen?

[Coldkiwi]

There are a very few truely dangerous thoughts, but religious leaders running secular affairs would be one of them...

Paul N

Thats an interesting point Paul. On the flipside, Helen Clark (staunch Atheist) and Labour are thinking about bringing out hate speech legislation that will mean church leaders no longer have the freedom to state the activites and lifestyles that offend their God. If they do, they could potentially be imprisioned.

Make no mistake, Labour is dead keen to bring this sort of thing in. (Can't beleive I voted for them last time. Economic growth is great for sure, but its come at a price)

[Paul in NZ]

Thats an interesting point Paul. On the flipside, Helen Clark (staunch Atheist) and Labour are thinking about bringing out hate speech legislation that will mean church leaders no longer have the freedom to state the activites and lifestyles that offend their God. If they do, they could potentially be imprisioned.

Make no mistake, Labour is dead keen to bring this sort of thing in. (Can't beleive I voted for them last time. Economic growth is great for sure, but its come at a price)

Believe it or not...

I support the guts of a lot of what various churches say / support / believe about family values and mores. People like the Salvation Army, presbitarian support services etc etc have my full and often financial support.

What I object to, are people imposing their views and values on me by force.

I realise there must be boundaries, but it's not for me, or my gods to make choices for others.

True, society must have laws and thats where we differ, I believe religion is nothing more than a primitive legal system with the ultimate policeman. It worked once, it still works for some (hey, they may be right) but for many religions to function in a healthy society none of them can realistically impose moralistic judgements into laws.