KNOW WHAT PI##*S ME OFF?

**inlinefour** · 7th March 2005, 21:01

Yes being stuck a diesel can be a pain in the arse. But I suspect that it would result in economic disaster to remove them from the road. Yea they some more than other forms transport and they run much better when in good condition and are well tuned. However the biggest joke I've found on the road is petrol cars/vans etc which have stuffed rings and smoke like a chimney. Last one was owned by a hippy I think. Had save the trees Albatross etc on the back. Apparently the twat did not care ebout the environment. Thw sad fact of the matter is that we need diesel vehicles on the road for many purposes, and that will not change. Perhaps all those who are complaining with avengance should consider riding a push bike instead. Otherwise the fact that yourselves are running a CO2 emitting machine makes you a slight hypocryte, does it not?

**Skunk** · 7th March 2005, 21:17

As I understand it diesels are cleaner running than cars anyway; true?
I mean for the black smoke they produce... it's not as toxic as cars...

**inlinefour** · 7th March 2005, 21:26

Originally Posted by Skunk

As I understand it diesels are cleaner running than cars anyway; true?
I mean for the black smoke they produce... it's not as toxic as cars...

If the motor is in good condition and well maintianed then it is not worse now that they mix of diesel on sale has changed. At least that is what I've been told...

**Jackrat** · 7th March 2005, 21:33

Originally Posted by Honda

Yes being stuck a diesel can be a pain in the arse. But I suspect that it would result in economic disaster to remove them from the road. Yea they some more than other forms transport and they run much better when in good condition and are well tuned. However the biggest joke I've found on the road is petrol cars/vans etc which have stuffed rings and smoke like a chimney. Last one was owned by a hippy I think. Had save the trees Albatross etc on the back. Apparently the twat did not care ebout the environment. Thw sad fact of the matter is that we need diesel vehicles on the road for many purposes, and that will not change. Perhaps all those who are complaining with avengance should consider riding a push bike instead. Otherwise the fact that yourselves are running a CO2 emitting machine makes you a slight hypocryte, does it not?

Oh come on man, your talking common sence again.
You've been here long enough to know better.
Even push bikes are made of steel,alloy ect ect.
It's about feeling more rightous than tho' nothing to do with reality.
But carry on I like hippy storys

**inlinefour** · 7th March 2005, 21:38

Originally Posted by Jackrat

Oh come on man, your talking common sence again.
You've been here long enough to know better.
Even push bikes are made of steel,alloy ect ect.
It's about feeling more rightous than tho' nothing to do with reality.
But carry on I like hippy storys

Yea I've been here long enough, but I've also just been on a month long holiday and sanity has finally returned to my life.
I pulled beside the dude in the hippy van and asked how he planned on saving any animals when he was driving the discrace that he was?
I was told in no uncertian terms to "fuck you and fuck off"!
Times like this when I get the feeling that the dole should be axed...

**Jackrat** · 7th March 2005, 21:49

Originally Posted by Honda

Yea I've been here long enough, but I've also just been on a month long holiday and sanity has finally returned to my life.
I pulled beside the dude in the hippy van and asked how he planned on saving any animals when he was driving the discrace that he was?
I was told in no uncertian terms to "fuck you and fuck off"!
Times like this when I get the feeling that the dole should be axed...

Amen to that last bit,an welcome back.

**Motu** · 7th March 2005, 21:51

What pisses me off is how the public..and some posters on this thread,have been duped into the whole smokey vehicle deal and therefore pushed emission testing on the strength of the obvious smokey and smelly diesel - when in fact a petrol powered car running a tad rich,or a tad lean is pumping out wholesale hydrocarbons,carbon monoxide and nitros oxides without a sign of it from the exhaust pipe.Oh,you stupid suckers,talk about shoot yourself in the foot!

And you oh so righteous motorcycle riders,who are riding one of the most dirty vehicles on the road,your bikes are one of the worst offenders.A motorcycle is very inefficiant as far as emissions go - a combustion chamber designed for power,not clean burning,single carb per cyl giving low gas speed,a non heated inlet track not vapourising the fuel,a needle type main jet not fully atomising the fuel,an inefficiant ignition with very short burn time not fully combusting the fuel...and after this total emission fuck up,they don't even have a cat converter to clean up the mess.

And you complain about diesels - even a smokey diesel is putting out less crap into the atmoshere than your toy.

**inlinefour** · 7th March 2005, 21:52

Originally Posted by Motu

What pisses me off is how the public..and some posters on this thread,have been duped into the whole smokey vehicle deal and therefore pushed emission testing on the strength of the obvious smokey and smelly diesel - when in fact a petrol powered car running a tad rich,or a tad lean is pumping out wholesale hydrocarbons,carbon monoxide and nitros oxides without a sign of it from the exhaust pipe.Oh,you stupid suckers,talk about shoot yourself in the foot!

And you oh so righteous motorcycle riders,who are riding one of the most dirty vehicles on the road,your bikes are one of the worst offenders.A motorcycle is very inefficiant as far as emissions go - a combustion chamber designed for power,not clean burning,single carb per cyl giving low gas speed,a non heated inlet track not vapourising the fuel,a needle type main jet not fully atomising the fuel,an inefficiant ignition with very short burn time not fully combusting the fuel...and after this total emission fuck up,they don't even have a cat converter to clean up the mess.

And you complain about diesels - even a smokey diesel is putting out less crap into the atmoshere than your toy.

Could not have put it any better that that Motu, good on ya!

**inlinefour** · 7th March 2005, 21:54

Originally Posted by Jackrat

Amen to that last bit,an welcome back.

Got to wonder if the previous peeps doing the complaining actually read up on the topic, or just started without much thought...
I guess we all can do that (sometimes), but age, common sense and a good holiday helps...

**Blakamin** · 8th March 2005, 07:08

I'm not complaining about what's in the smoke... I dont want my daughter breating it in.... I dont care what it is... there are particles in that smoke that end up in your lungs... I dont care if they are not as bad as cars, I still think lungs weren't invented to breathe diesel... so why can't it be vented upwards???
simple really...
and honda, the topic is "KNOW WHAT PI##*S ME OFF?" I read it... i'm tellin ya... and smokey cars with fucked rings burn oil... doesn't diesel come from oil??
motu, my bike may well be worse, but it doesn't spend the time on the road that trucks and buses do... (unfortunately) and my zorst doesn't aim in peoples windows

**Motu** · 8th March 2005, 07:28

All very fine venting exhaust up - but the carbon particles are heavier than air and go down,why not point them down in the first place.Some of the Euro trucks are coming out with particle traps to catch and hold the carbon particles,a good step I would think,but a bit hard to retrofit.Kinda like retrofitting a cat converter on a bike,not an easy task if it's not designed to be there.I agree it's not nice to have shit blown in your face,and who knows what they will find in 20 yrs about diesel smoke,but at this present point in time it's the petrol engine that's doing the damage to our own and the planets health.The diesel is pretty efficiant,but you'll be happy to know that the modern diesel is even better,with common rail electronic computer controled fuel injectors,partical traps etc,the diesel engine has always been leaps and bounds ahead of the petrol engine.

**Blakamin** · 8th March 2005, 07:46

Originally Posted by Motu

All very fine venting exhaust up - but the carbon particles are heavier than air and go down,why not point them down in the first place.

At least they would be more dispersed...not just a cloud in yer face

Originally Posted by Motu

The diesel is pretty efficiant,but you'll be happy to know that the modern diesel is even better,with common rail electronic computer controled fuel injectors,partical traps etc,the diesel engine has always been leaps and bounds ahead of the petrol engine.

glad to hear it... when is it gunna happen here tho... do we have to wait ten to fifteen years???
they weren't putting that shit on anything 3 years ago... still the same dinosaurs they've been making for 40 years... (well, kenworth anyway)

**Motu** · 8th March 2005, 07:59

The Yanks and Euros are doing it,the Japs seem to be lagging behind in the development of diesels,kinda strange you'd think.I have never liked the small Jap diesels,like everything below 3.5 litres,they are short term motors no better designed than a petrol engine - and they are also the ones getting the finger pointed at them because they put out heaps of black smoke.Some of the later Big Horns are fly by wire,but I have never seen a common rail myself yet, I only work on everyday cars and light commercials of the public,not some up to date modern efficiant fleet.

**Blakamin** · 8th March 2005, 08:07

cool...

I worked at kenworth in Aus a few years back and they use any engine the customer wants (outta their lst) and most were still using old "tried and true" engines then... spose if you are doin a million ks and 95% are out in the bush, you gotta be able to fix it yerself.... (KW melbourne is the only KW manufacturer in oceania/australasi/SE Asia... all the kiwi ones come from there)
maybe the japanese should get their shit together... aren't they meant to lead technology???

**inlinefour** · 8th March 2005, 09:15

Originally Posted by Blakamin

I'm not complaining about what's in the smoke... I dont want my daughter breating it in.... I dont care what it is... there are particles in that smoke that end up in your lungs... I dont care if they are not as bad as cars, I still think lungs weren't invented to breathe diesel... so why can't it be vented upwards???
simple really...
and honda, the topic is "KNOW WHAT PI##*S ME OFF?" I read it... i'm tellin ya... and smokey cars with fucked rings burn oil... doesn't diesel come from oil??
motu, my bike may well be worse, but it doesn't spend the time on the road that trucks and buses do... (unfortunately) and my zorst doesn't aim in peoples windows

The economy would be in a pickle of some people had their way and removed the diesel engine from the road, just think of the consequences of that! No haulage for a start. Yes all petrol chemicals, i.e. petrol and diesel are refined from oil. But to say the problem will be fixed by removing diesels, won't do it. Rather each engine that rus on the road should be checked at WOF time and if its in poor condition, then fail it. Would sort most I would like to think and get a few off the road that should not be there (including petrol engines). The only easy solution is not to go into places where you know that polution caused by vehicles is a problem. Heck there has been plenty of times when I had to close all wy windows in my Surf and put the air con on, as to aviod unpleasent fumes. But the point I'm trying to make is that only a fraction of that polution is coming from diesel engines. I might be lucky living in NP and not get into the predicaments that big city dwellers do, but I believe that a well maintianed diesel has got just as much right to be on the road as anyone here on their bike. :spudwave: