Cyclists in lycra

[MarkH]

female and she was giving me the finger!!!

Hmmm, not too sure on that one, on one hand I don't generally go for being fingered, but if she was hot, maybe I'd let her? Sometimes getting out of your comfort zone is kinky, but OK.

[MarkH]

Nope - they're a vehicle so they are entitled to a full lane like any other vehicle.

I thought the law required that any vehicle travelling slowly travelled as far to the left as practicable?

[swbarnett]

I'm going to ride across Europe on the pushie later this year, I can almost guarantee I won't have a single incident (never have in cycling mad Belgium, Holland, or Germany) - there are more people sharing congested roads - the difference, they're not aggressive assholes who think they own the road.

The other difference is there (at least in Switzerland where I lived) the car (or motorcycle) is legally assumed to be at fault if a collision with a bicycle occurrs. This is probably a big part of why the motorised drivers are not aggressive assholes.

In NZ I think there is fault on both sides - cyclists do treat the roads as if they have the right to hold everyone to their speed and the motorised fraternity don't respect the right of slower traffic to use the road. In short, Kiwis don't share well.

[jrandom]

I remember a thread on here not long ago specifically about you running a red light.. This kind of dumb shit...

Go back and read it again. More carefully this time.

[munterk6]

ok ok already, this was never meant to cause a shitstorm between certain members. Play nice boys, we are all on the same team, remember?
Quote..." If you're riding with other cyclists, don't ride more than two abreast. Ride in single file when you're passing other vehicles - including parked vehicles, or when you're impeding traffic behind you."
I guess rules like that are made to be broken....but sheesh! the consequences can be devastating

[Swoop]

Cyclists in lycra?

I believe a lot of the problem is a cyclist wearing a "safety vest" which appears to empower the wearer with mythical abilities to make them immune to any hazard... as the hazard will see them first.
I have some bad news, sunshine...

[madbikeboy]

The other difference is there (at least in Switzerland where I lived) the car (or motorcycle) is legally assumed to be at fault if a collision with a bicycle occurrs. This is probably a big part of why the motorised drivers are not aggressive assholes.

In NZ I think there is fault on both sides - cyclists do treat the roads as if they have the right to hold everyone to their speed and the motorised fraternity don't respect the right of slower traffic to use the road. In short, Kiwis don't share well.

Culturally, Europeans deal with congestion better, there is more patience and care given. I occasionally host international riders, most of whom ride in NZ once, then go back to whatever civilised country they live in, vowing to never ride here again.

I don't ride much in NZ, but I ride lots in the states, Aus, Europe - hell, even Malaysia is safer to ride than here in God's own.

Cyclists are allowed to ride 2 abreast. Out of interest, it has been proven empirically, that if a cyclist is slightly in your way, you will tend to see it and actively move around it - if the cyclist is against the curb, because it's smaller than a car, and therefore it presents no danger, you're more likely to ignore it and hit it. It meaning him or her, that future or current NZ representative, world champion, or your workmate's son or daughter.

I think a large part of the problem is that car drivers (meaning you lot who are anti-cyclists) treat cyclists like a thing, an "it", dangerously depersonalising them. What if it was your daughter, your brother in law, your wife, your dad on that bike - would you give them room?

I once had an argument with a guy who I worked with, he was telling me how he'd run a "fucking cyclist homo" off the road on the way to work. About 6 months later, his son got bowled on the way to school, text book perfect Kharma situation, his son got pushed off the road and into a sign. Son recovered eventually, after 9 months of rehab. The guy came and apologised to me about 6 months after that.

[discotex]

Having seen the stupidity of the cyclists that ride the Port Hills I'm shocked more don't get squished every year. Especially on the way up to Sign of the Kiwi.

Fair enough to share the road but to ride two abreast on that particular road is just stupid. Even more stupid is how many I've seen deliberately try to block people passing by swerving out.

Then again the motorcycles I've seen haven't been much better. Tailgate through the straights when it's clear to overtake then save the overtaking for the blind corners

Is there free P at the bottom of the hill or something?

[batboy]

personally i hate cyclists, why should they be able to own a lane? they dont pay for rego/ruc or anything which would entitle them to that.
Secondly they should be banned from certain roads altogether, such as on the penisula, there is barley enough room for a car and a truck on some areas, having wankie cyclists in the mix is dangerous especially when the flout the rules as they do.
They are a scurge to the akaroaGP for sure


oh and as to the women in lycra part...i am so temted to slow down and give them a wee pat on the behind as i go past...only problem as stated before its not easy to see if they are guys

[pritch]

This whole thread is a bloody repost.

[discotex]

This whole thread is a bloody repost.

Word for word?

[madbikeboy]

personally i hate cyclists, why should they be able to own a lane? they dont pay for rego/ruc or anything which would entitle them to that.
Secondly they should be banned from certain roads altogether, such as on the penisula, there is barley enough room for a car and a truck on some areas, having wankie cyclists in the mix is dangerous especially when the flout the rules as they do.
They are a scurge to the akaroaGP for sure


oh and as to the women in lycra part...i am so temted to slow down and give them a wee pat on the behind as i go past...only problem as stated before its not easy to see if they are guys

You prove my point exactly, you think that only you should be able to own the road. Also, I pay three lots of registration - the laws around RUC and registration come from old fashioned common law, the idea is that the vehicles that make the most damage to the roads should pay the highest levy. Even if you got a bike and hammer the road with it, I'm sure the road would suffer little damage. How about the other car users pay me for the lack of CO2 emmissions? Or to the local businesses where I stop and eat?

So, given that you own that particular road, where would you have cyclists ride?

[batboy]

You prove my point exactly, you think that only you should be able to own the road. Also, I pay three lots of registration - the laws around RUC and registration come from old fashioned common law, the idea is that the vehicles that make the most damage to the roads should pay the highest levy. Even if you got a bike and hammer the road with it, I'm sure the road would suffer little damage. How about the other car users pay me for the lack of CO2 emmissions? Or to the local businesses where I stop and eat?

So, given that you own that particular road, where would you have cyclists ride?

Many countries around the world actually charge bicycle liscensing for cyclists, its not something new, if you wish to use the road you pay....plain and simple.
Cyclists ESPECIALLY on the akaroa hills cause sometimes massive congestion as they pedal at no miles an hour two abreast up the hills, there are very little passing oppertunities, which leads to frustrated drivers and riders making dangerous passing manouvers on blind corners.
Im not saying ban all cyclists from MY roads, im just saying they should not be allowed on certain roads for saftey reasons.

[The Pastor]

You prove my point exactly, you think that only you should be able to own the road. Also, I pay three lots of registration - the laws around RUC and registration come from old fashioned common law, the idea is that the vehicles that make the most damage to the roads should pay the highest levy. Even if you got a bike and hammer the road with it, I'm sure the road would suffer little damage. How about the other car users pay me for the lack of CO2 emmissions? Or to the local businesses where I stop and eat?

So, given that you own that particular road, where would you have cyclists ride?

have a flipping cry mate. if i have to pay rego PER VEHICLE why dont you?

the road wasn't made for pedestrians or cyclists. you don't belong there.

[madbikeboy]

have a flipping cry mate. if i have to pay rego PER VEHICLE why dont you?

the road wasn't made for pedestrians or cyclists. you don't belong there.

Look here bitch, the road was made for me, and me alone...

Good work supersleuth. Can you work out who popped JFK? Oh, and can you find the fucker that ripped off my house three years ago, I want my Snap On test light back so I can stab the fucker.