Attn: Lawyers and Police and others that can help

[Patrick]

Cept a table laden with sugary doughnuts

WRONG...

In like a robbers dog... no circling needed.....

[Burtha]

mmmm.... donuts!


(somebody had to)

[Dave Lobster]

there is a saving provision to the effect that minor screwups in the paperwork don't invalidate the infringement notice.

Why? If a warrant isn't correct, the information gleaned with it isn't admissable to a court. So why should a different piece of paperwork be any different? Surely it's a legal document, and should be filled in correctly. It's not as if it's fucking difficult to do it right.

Cop's under no obligation to explain anything to you.

Really?? That can't be right, surely??

[Indiana_Jones]

.... told that the ticket that i Constable gave "Isn't a Legal Document" and that the reminder notice "Is the legal Document"

So in that case you can ignore it and not pay it then? lol

-Indy

[marty]

Summary Proceedings Act 1957 (....) S.204

Proceedings not to be questioned for want of form

No information, complaint, summons, conviction, sentence, order, bond, warrant, or other document, and no process or proceeding shall be quashed, set aside, or held invalid by any District Court or by any other Court by reason only of any defect, irregularity, omission, or want of form unless the Court is satisfied that there has been a miscarriage of justice.

[CookMySock]

i've just called up the Police infringement Bureau and to be told that the ticket that i Constable gave "Isn't a Legal Document" and that the reminder notice "Is the legal Document"

This is correct. The first handwritten notice doesnt mean jack schit. The second one is the one that must be correct.

In this case you don't have a leg to stand on - not that you trying to evade it, but just to answer your question.

This is why it is very important to do NOTHING if there is a mistake on the handwritten notice. The game is to wait and see if the error comes out on the Legal Document - if it does, they are rooted. Their legal document must must must be correct. Lots and lots of people ring them up and say "wahhhhhh theres an error on the handwritten notice" and they go "ewps, my bad" and they correct it and then send you the legal document..

edit: oh I'm not a lawyer.

Steve

[Usarka]

Which is why they water down the consequences at roadside, less chance of you arguing against it.

[Ixion]

Why? If a warrant isn't correct, the information gleaned with it isn't admissable to a court. So why should a different piece of paperwork be any different? Surely it's a legal document, and should be filled in correctly. It's not as if it's fucking difficult to do it right.



Really?? That can't be right, surely??

Surely is. Most they *have* to do is tell you your rights if they arrest you - "You have the right to remain silent , blah blah, to consult a solicitor blah blah etc".

You are expected to know the law. It's not the cop's job to explain it to you. As a matter of operating *practice* police will do their best to explain what is happening to people. But that's a different matter to a legal obligation

[Usarka]

You are expected to know the law. It's not the cop's job to explain it to you. As a matter of operating *practice* police will do their best to explain what is happening to people. But that's a different matter to a legal obligation

That's a bit different from the common trick where they tell you that you won't, or quote, "most likely won't" get charged with something and then you find out it's a mandatory penalty.

[scumdog]

Why? If a warrant isn't correct, the information gleaned with it isn't admissable to a court. So why should a different piece of paperwork be any different? Surely it's a legal document, and should be filled in correctly. It's not as if it's fucking difficult to do it right.



Really?? That can't be right, surely??

The naivety of the general public never fails to amaze me..

[Defiant]

Cept a table laden with sugary doughnuts

LMAO

[Winston001]

My understanding was that ALL PENALTIES that you get in regards to the ticket should be explained in full to me while the officer is issuing me the ticket.

What is my legal right here?

Wrong.

Maybe you are confusing this with the law as it was in regard to demerit points. It used to say that before you could have your licence suspended, the police/LTSA had to send you a letter warning that you were close to the magic 101.

But no more. Letter or no letter, 101 points is walking speed.

[Mikkel]

Legal stand point? ...pay your fine and dont speed again.

Could we possibly turn into a more androgynous pile of cry-hard conformists. Exceeding the speedlimit is not breaking the LAW, nor is it necessarily dangerous.

[Patrick]

Exceeding the speedlimit is not breaking the LAW, nor is it necessarily dangerous.

Say what????????????????????????????

Yes it is, and yes it can be.

[Sollyboy]

Should you really be plucking at straws when you did, after-all break the law? That is the system, why can you not just accept your responsibility to keep in line with the laws?

May be his point is hes willing to accept the law but the police should also follow the laws , maybe he should just get to pay the fine and not get the points which seem a fair out come