Buying from a dealer?

**3umph** · 1st April 2009, 21:24

Originally Posted by R1madness

sure we make a couple o dollars on a bike but we provide a great service. Have you seen some of the crap that people try to sell as a good bike these days. New riders or people without mechanical skills should steer clear of half the stuff offered privately (trade me, buysellexchange, the paper, the pub) unless they can get it for a bargin and are prepared to put the money they saved buying the bike into fixing it.
I am not saying that there are no genuine bargins out there, there are, just check them out properly.
What to offer well its up to you but i dont know a single dealer that could knock $500 off a $6k bike and still expect to be in business in the future.
make a lowball offer but dont be offended if he just shrugs and walks away.
Oh yea saying i saw one on trade me doesnt work. Most of us have broadband and a pc hooked up to trademe for just this reason.....
If you want the best deal possable go in with 50% deposit, no trade in, and ask for finance. Now thats a deal winner.

Quite agree with you there Ian...

Sure you can pick up some good deals on trademe but if you don't know what you are looking at there are some really good looking lemons as well...
Most dealers also will help you out a lot with problems or questions... many will give you discounts for other gear or servicing purchased through them as well...
also buying from a dealer you are guaranteed clear title with no financial interests on the bike... private you HAVE to check this out or you can face loosing your bike if they do not pay there loan up...
trust me this can and does happen, we lost my wifes CBR to the repo man due to the person not repaying the loan out when he sold the bike to the person we brought brought it off... hence 2 owners prior...
Luckily with a bit of pressure from the bike shop and myself the loan was repayed and we got the bike back after 1.5 weeks... if he did not pay we would of lost the bike no questions asked and out of pocket for what we spent on the bike...

Don't get set on just one bike... look around you may find others around the same price range... ask each shop what they can do for cash... in discount, extras, ongoing servicing etc and then way up what to do....

**MarkH** · 1st April 2009, 21:24

Originally Posted by dipshit

Yeah i suppose you can't go too far wrong with say a tidy 12 month old bike with only 4500ks on it or thereabouts.

Even if it's not tidy and has a lot more kms on the clock, you might want to consider that if you can save $5K then you would have to have some expensive problems before it would have been cheaper to buy from a dealer.

Personally I would check out similar bikes to what the dealer was selling, if there were machines on tardme that were way cheaper then I would either get a good reduction in price off the dealer or go to a private sale on tardme. If I am saving enough I will happily take the risk with a private sale!

**3umph** · 1st April 2009, 21:26

Originally Posted by dipshit

Part of the extra costs though from a dealer is at least covering you with some kind of guarantee should the bike launch itself a few weeks later.

If you spend $7000 on tardeme and the engine blows up the following week... you are out of luck.

Paying a bit more from a dealer covers your ass from such a thing happening.

Personally i wouldn't drop a large amount of coin in a private motor vehicle sale unless i thoroughly knew about the vehicle's history... like from someone i already knew.

yip totally agree

**3umph** · 1st April 2009, 21:31

maybe the poll should be re worded to...

With a sticker price of $6,000 from a dealer and paying cash, how much would you first offer when trying to negotiate a cash price

**McDuck** · 1st April 2009, 21:35

I would start with an offer of 5500, but with my local (havnt got a bke off them yet but have gotten just about eveyrthing else) i just go in, ask 'what can ya do me on ths...' and get a discount.

Why? dont push them down further, am honest (even when they messed up in my favor) and i go back because i get a good discount wthout needing to push them down.

I would rather have a dealer that is happy enough to pck my sorry arse up of the sde of the road should the time come than have a few extra dollers to pay a towie, because a lot of towies are cunts and the local dealers ar ea bunch of good guys.

**Aaron_newrider** · 1st April 2009, 21:49

Originally Posted by 3umph

yip totally agree

What sort of warranty should I expect on a 2008 used bike? I'm the only rider out of my mates, except for my sales manager in CHCH and one of my customers.

Cheers

Aaron

**Radar** · 1st April 2009, 21:53

Aaron, if you want the lowest price on a bike (or car), find another one that you genuinely want to buy at another dealer - even if it is in a different city (find it online). Let the sales person know that you want to make a decision between the two bikes within the next day or two, get their name and tell them you will ring them at 'whenever time'. Do your negotiating over the phone - not in person - and ring both shops and see what their best price will be. Let them know which bike and shop (or at least the city where the shop is) they are competing with. Remember, it has to be genuine - sales people have heard all the whining many times from buyers trying to get a reduced price and if they are experienced they will know how to counter your whining - especially when face to face.

I read about this method of negotiating years ago in a consumers magazine article (for buying cars). I have done this when buying a car and a bike, and it works, although you may have to settle for the addition of options or a reduction of service costs, rather than a big reduction in price.

A friend was on a bike tour and stopped in a bike shop, saw a bike he liked, went home and rang the shop and made a low offer. They did not accept the offer but he gave them his phone number and said to ring him back if they changed their mind. Two weeks later they rang and he got the bike at his price.

Another friend found a car in our town but they would not drop the price. I gave him the info as in the first paragraph above. He went online and found the same car in Auckland (although it had fewer km's and was a year newer). He then rang the local dealer, then AKL, etc. back and forth and after the local dealer would not budge he got the AKL car - and the AKL dealer paid for shipping it to Masterton and at a big savings compared to the local dealer. BTW, they shipped it to the local shop so the sales person should have been pissed off knowing they lost that sale.

Now I could be wrong but something tells me, Aaron, that you really want that bike and actually have the cash to pay full price. And I reckon the sales person 'knows' and 'feels' that you will pay full price and that you will not go elsewhere. Apologies if I am wrong but I'd say the shop will only give you the usual 10% discount on extras and maybe drop the price a couple of hundred dollars if you are prickly.

**Radar** · 1st April 2009, 21:58

Originally Posted by Aaron_newrider

What sort of warranty should I expect on a 2008 used bike? I'm the only rider out of my mates, except for my sales manager in CHCH and one of my customers.

Cheers

Aaron

A very good question. Maybe the new warranty will still be in affect (2 years is usual). If they only give you 3 months, this is something you could negotiate if they will not drop the price much.

**Aaron_newrider** · 1st April 2009, 22:10

Originally Posted by Radar

Aaron, if you want the lowest price on a bike (or car), find another one that you genuinely want to buy at another dealer - even if it is in a different city (find it online). Let the sales person know that you want to make a decision between the two bikes within the next day or two, get their name and tell them you will ring them at 'whenever time'. Do your negotiating over the phone - not in person - and ring both shops and see what their best price will be. Let them know which bike and shop (or at least the city where the shop is) they are competing with. Remember, it has to be genuine - sales people have heard all the whining many times from buyers trying to get a reduced price and if they are experienced they will know how to counter your whining - especially when face to face.

I read about this method of negotiating years ago in a consumers magazine article (for buying cars). I have done this when buying a car and a bike, and it works, although you may have to settle for the addition of options or a reduction of service costs, rather than a big reduction in price.

A friend was on a bike tour and stopped in a bike shop, saw a bike he liked, went home and rang the shop and made a low offer. They did not accept the offer but he gave them his phone number and said to ring him back if they changed their mind. Two weeks later they rang and he got the bike at his price.

Another friend found a car in our town but they would not drop the price. I gave him the info as in the first paragraph above. He went online and found the same car in Auckland (although it had fewer km's and was a year newer). He then rang the local dealer, then AKL, etc. back and forth and after the local dealer would not budge he got the AKL car - and the AKL dealer paid for shipping it to Masterton and at a big savings compared to the local dealer. BTW, they shipped it to the local shop so the sales person should have been pissed off knowing they lost that sale.

Now I could be wrong but something tells me, Aaron, that you really want that bike and actually have the cash to pay full price. And I reckon the sales person 'knows' and 'feels' that you will pay full price and that you will not go elsewhere. Apologies if I am wrong but I'd say the shop will only give you the usual 10% discount on extras and maybe drop the price a couple of hundred dollars if you are prickly.

Hey Mate, cheers for taking the time to write that

Nah I don't have the cash to pay for it, I'm only 20, scraping the bottom of the barrel to get enough money for protective gear which I am very reluctant to go cheap on (I enjoy the ability to walk/eat/type/screw and live) I am getting a loan for 95% of the bike, and have saved alittle for the gear. I have't been 100% specific regarding the price as I don't want to identify the bike to be honest. It's alittle above/below the $6000 mark, just wanted to see peoples reactions.. It's a Hyosung GT250R which there are alot of, but I want to go through a dealer so I have piece of mind as I can check out a car very well but not a bike as I have no experience so if it dies 1 month down the track I have something to fall back on.

No going to walk in there and be an arsehole, but i'm a sales person so making deals comes quote natually. I'll go in with a good attitude and see what happens. Can't wait,

One more question, yes I see that the Hyosungs are being sold with a 2-year warranty.

1) How would I claim on this, eg. would i need the origional invoice for the origional purchase

2) is this transferable?

3) What services need to be done to be able to make a claim

4) What does this cover?

Thanks again for your time all to comment, really is appreciated and I look forward to meeting some of you at rides.

Aaron

Cheers
Aaron

**MarkH** · 2nd April 2009, 09:24

Originally Posted by Aaron_newrider

Nah I don't have the cash to pay for it, I'm only 20, scraping the bottom of the barrel to get enough money for protective gear which I am very reluctant to go cheap on (I enjoy the ability to walk/eat/type/screw and live) I am getting a loan for 95% of the bike, and have saved alittle for the gear. I have't been 100% specific regarding the price as I don't want to identify the bike to be honest. It's alittle above/below the $6000 mark, just wanted to see peoples reactions.. It's a Hyosung GT250R which there are alot of, but I want to go through a dealer so I have piece of mind as I can check out a car very well but not a bike as I have no experience so if it dies 1 month down the track I have something to fall back on.

There are a huge number of these on trademe, I would suggest you look through that and also check out what deals other dealers will do. It is important to know whether the price you negotiate is a good one or not, no point paying $6K for a bike you could buy off trademe for $3.5K - but not too bad to pay $5.5K for a bike that would cost you at least close to $5K from trademe. Knowledge is power!

**vgcspares** · 2nd April 2009, 09:37

it's worth pointing out that "cash" ain't that attractive to a dealer so you won't get any unique discount:

they have to pay GST cos the bike's on the books, hence nothing saved by taking cash

they can make a turn on arranging finance - again no incentive to give anything in exchange for a cash sale

**Burtha** · 2nd April 2009, 09:52

Good thread guys, am looking at buying next month probably so this has been valuable info - great stuff.
Seems me thoughts were heading in a similar direction so cheers.

**ManDownUnder** · 2nd April 2009, 10:38

We have a guy in here that used to sell bikes... very kindly put a few words together. It's well worth the read and SARGE is responsible for a couple of my friends saving copious dollars over time.

Buying a used bike