Buying from a dealer?

[Aaron_newrider]

Why the hel would anyone care what a retailers margin is?It's like these Green loving tree hugging dolphin strokers worried about our carbon footprint!Who gives a fook!

What I give a shit about is how I can save money,like I said,I'm a tight arsed bastard.

I work hard for my moolah,and if I have to spend more to help save someones job?Get fucked.

It's a 'Survival of the fittest' world out there and if a Business or retailer can't cut the mustard,they will be judged,probably by Simon Cowell.

That's a really dumb comment.

I work for an HP distributor in Auckland, sales. Sometimes my customers call me for help "aaron, i know pricing has gone up month end but i need this price can you help me out" as they have guaranteed their customer

They only ask when they really need it, and my answer is always "of coarse" and I sell at cost or sometimes below if they are a very good customer who I will easily make my money back later on.

Why? Because if they aren't making any money, they aren't going to be there for long to buy my product

How does this relate to buying a motorbike from a dealer? This may be your only decent local motorbike repair place, or spare parts place. Or you may want that 3-month warranty honoured. Or maybe a mate/relative of yours works for....

them,
their bike supplier,
the bike importer,
the biker suppliers freight agent,
the bike manufacturer,
their advertising agency
their advertising printing company (and everoyne vertical from that)
the finance guy who gives them finance whilst holding floor stock
their clothing brands wholesaler
their clothing bands importer
their clothing brands courier
their clothing brands freight agent
Shall I continue?


Well, if your mate/ralative works for any of these they will be effected.


Yes we want a good price - but a fair price that isin't going to rip a hole in the dealers arse.

[ynot slow]

No trade is best,cash or hp don't matter as dealer gets paid by finance co next day or so,and they get a rebate depending on finance charged/term.

Instead of a cash discount go back asking what gear will you give me as I need helmet,jacket etc,you might get $1000 free.

[McJim]

No trade is best,cash or hp don't matter as dealer gets paid by finance co next day or so,and they get a rebate depending on finance charged/term.

Instead of a cash discount go back asking what gear will you give me as I need helmet,jacket etc,you might get $1000 free.

Because of the commission earned from selling a finance product (a loan) the vendor can be more amenable. I remember a store in Glasgow (electronics) that could sell products at cost because they made their profits from the loans they sold on behalf of the finance house. Cash sales pushed the prices up!

[Creeping Death]

That's a really dumb comment.

I work for an HP distributor in Auckland, sales. Sometimes my customers call me for help "aaron, i know pricing has gone up month end but i need this price can you help me out" as they have guaranteed their customer

They only ask when they really need it, and my answer is always "of coarse" and I sell at cost or sometimes below if they are a very good customer who I will easily make my money back later on.

Why? Because if they aren't making any money, they aren't going to be there for long to buy my product

How does this relate to buying a motorbike from a dealer? This may be your only decent local motorbike repair place, or spare parts place. Or you may want that 3-month warranty honoured. Or maybe a mate/relative of yours works for....

them,
their bike supplier,
the bike importer,
the biker suppliers freight agent,
the bike manufacturer,
their advertising agency
their advertising printing company (and everoyne vertical from that)
the finance guy who gives them finance whilst holding floor stock
their clothing brands wholesaler
their clothing bands importer
their clothing brands courier
their clothing brands freight agent
Shall I continue?


Well, if your mate/ralative works for any of these they will be effected.


Yes we want a good price - but a fair price that isin't going to rip a hole in the dealers arse.

Bro,
Theres a mighty big difference between having a regular customer and a one off buyer.Sure,the regulars get the best deals but that's NOT what this thread was about.Comprende?

[Aaron_newrider]

Bro,
Theres a mighty big difference between having a regular customer and a one off buyer.Sure,the regulars get the best deals but that's NOT what this thread was about.Comprende?

Just giving the guy an answer to his question on why someone would care if the reseller makes any margin. Sorry but some people do care if the reseller makes some money, as they enjoy the service and want the company to stay in business so don't mind paying a fair ammount to keep them there.

Supporting your local also feels good sometimes.

[Creeping Death]

Supporting your local also feels good sometimes.

Yep,your dead right there,our corner dairy which was within walking distance(Ok,I lived 3 houses away)shut up shop about 3 months ago because I believe the Mall 3km down the road was just too good.Dairies,good for stuff like milk,bread which are marked up heaps but hey,10 minutes down the road,I can get that and more at half the price!Pop quiz hot shot?Whadda you do...whadda you dooo...

[Headbanger]

Yep,your dead right there,our corner dairy which was within walking distance(Ok,I lived 3 houses away)shut up shop about 3 months ago because I believe the Mall 3km down the road was just too good.Dairies,good for stuff like milk,bread which are marked up heaps but hey,10 minutes down the road,I can get that and more at half the price!Pop quiz hot shot?Whadda you do...whadda you dooo...

I have three dairies within 1km of my house, all with different prices and product ranges.

I go to the one who hires all the hot chicks to serve.

Thats just how damn shallow I am.

[Creeping Death]

I have three dairies within 1km of my house, all with different prices and product ranges.

I go to the one who hires all the hot chicks to serve.

Thats just how damn shallow I am.

Bling for you bro,I like your stylz!

[Robert Taylor]

Just giving the guy an answer to his question on why someone would care if the reseller makes any margin. Sorry but some people do care if the reseller makes some money, as they enjoy the service and want the company to stay in business so don't mind paying a fair ammount to keep them there.

Supporting your local also feels good sometimes.

Unfortunately I think there are so many people with a hard nosed attitude and they have absolutely no comprehension of how much they are feeding a degradation of service and in the end event their own standard of living. Pointless arguing with them. ''Cheap is best even if the metallurgy is akin to weetbix''
I support local as much as I can and dont begrudge EVERYONE AND ANYONE a decent standard of living.

[naphazoline]

....I go to the one who hires all the hot chicks to serve.

Thats just how damn shallow I am.

You've hit the nail on the head!!!

These dying bike retailers need some hot chicks selling their wares.
It might just save their arses.LOL.

[naphazoline]

Unfortunately I think there are so many people with a hard nosed attitude and they have absolutely no comprehension of how much they are feeding a degradation of service and in the end event their own standard of living. Pointless arguing with them. ''Cheap is best even if the metallurgy is akin to weetbix''
I support local as much as I can and dont begrudge EVERYONE AND ANYONE a decent standard of living.

I think most of us like to support our local bussinesses,but,.... "begrudge EVERYONE AND ANYONE a decent standard of living"???,.... Is a bit extreme don't you think?

Some people might have an endless supply of cash to throw around,but the rest of us NEED to shop for less!

[98tls]

In saying that after spending 9 years selling bikes and cars in the past i only go to a dealer when necessary,things may have changed these days,i doubt it,even franchised dealers sold warrantys at "you just got arse raped" mark ups without blinking an eye,12.5 % on a new vehicle..fuck that,considering if at the end of a 1/4 things got tight they would give them away and claim a rebate from the factory.Truth is they make far more from used cars and mechanical/parts workshops anyway.Case in point,i rang the local Firestone tyre people for a price on 4 good 18 inch tyres for an XR6,the price was laughable compared to what i could get them for in Christchurch,i rang the local guy back and quoted said price which was $100s different,his reply "we are local"My reply was "at that price you might as well be on Mars".

[want-a-harley]

a bit off track, but if you buy new with 25% down what is the usual interest rate for the finance arranged by a bike shop?

[Robert Taylor]

I think most of us like to support our local bussinesses,but,.... "begrudge EVERYONE AND ANYONE a decent standard of living"???,.... Is a bit extreme don't you think?

Some people might have an endless supply of cash to throw around,but the rest of us NEED to shop for less!

Did that come out wrong? Everyone and anyone should have a decent standard of living, thats what I meant. And one of the reasons everyone does not have an endless supply of cash is because of hard nosed dog eat dog attitudes from the top downwards. Think about it, some of us have long and hard.

[warewolf]

Your words,not mine.

I'm aware that dealers have their overheads,but that doesn't mean i should shell out extra $$$ for a warranty,and some of the other support,just to keep their heads above water.

It's a competitive world,and if you want to stay in the game,(no matter what bussiness you're in,) you're going to have to offer good prices/discounts/package deals,at a competitive rate,otherwise buyers go elsewhere.

Yes, my words, but it echoes common sentiment of (unjustified) ill-feeling towards dealers.

Dealers are competitive, they know very well what they are up against. But a professional is always going to cost more than a hobbyist DIY, and generally offer better service/value despite the higher outlay.

What I give a shit about is how I can save money,like I said,I'm a tight arsed bastard.

I work hard for my moolah,and if I have to spend more to help save someones job?Get fucked.

It's a 'Survival of the fittest' world out there and if a Business or retailer can't cut the mustard,they will be judged,probably by Simon Cowell.

OK, so tell me why I should pay you fair margin but not a dealer? What makes you so special? Are you implying the dealer hasn't worked hard for his moolah? Why should the dealer pay more (which is what discounting is) so you can have your bike?

These dying bike retailers need some hot chicks selling their wares.
It might just save their arses.LOL.

Riiiiiiight. Yes, LOL, but did you read the recent post about the customer who walked away -from the shop for good maybe- because the 'hot chick' knew nothing about the product, or enough about customer service to be able to liaise with the knowledgeable person.

Some people might have an endless supply of cash to throw around,but the rest of us NEED to shop for less!

Actually, no you don't. Go read "Affluenza". Rather than buy everything you want unsustainably cheap - cause that is the reality of the discussion here - buy what you need at a fair price. And again I reiterate, your local dealer is in the exact same position you (we) are... what's the count... 9 closed in the last 6 months? Does that sound like dealers have an endless supply of cash to fund discounts??


RT is on the ball. What's the saying? You can shear a sheep many times, but only skin it once.