Pride in New Zealand

**Paul in NZ** · 10th March 2005, 14:48

Well thats a point really...

Without getting labelled a racist or whatever. (I work for a japanese company for gods sake) Why do we have those nutters on the business round table side of the argument that reckon we need another couple of million or so people so we can build a strong domestic economy (yada yada yada)

Stuff that! I reckon a few less (carefully selected) would be far better.

I have NO problem with immigration and from a mixed / diverse background as well but what I'd like to see are people that value what we have here and want to preserve the way of life instead of millionaire rock stars buying high country stations or plunderers strip mining our beaches etc. It IS a special and unique place. Last thing we want is to import all the same problems other countries have. (Or have I got that wrong somehow?)

Recent immigration seems to have been (on the whole) pretty good but perhaps the population level needs to be managed some how and NOT but people in retail that just want a bigger market to sell too....

Small is good.... (or so Vicki tells me)

What I'm thinking is that I really think people need a bit of space around them. Crowd them too much and the bad stuff happens... We still have a choice about that.

**vifferman** · 10th March 2005, 14:55

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Last thing we want is to import all the same problems other countries have. (Or have I got that wrong somehow?).

No, you're spot on.

And it's happening: we didn't have problems with gambling rings, kidnappings, etc. before we adopted that crazy immigration policy.

Here's a semi-related thing: when the casino proponents were trying to get the first casino built here, one of the arguments they used was: Tourists expect it. They can gamble overseas, and they won't come here if they can't gamble here as well.
Why? Why should they come here and expect it to be the same? Surely any uniqueness we have is a good (attractive) thing?

(In any case, all the arguments for the casino were bullshit. I was living in Chch when they reviewed the first year of its operation. While it posted a bigger profit than expected, summat like 90% of the customers were local, most of the employees were not locals or NZers, local businesses (restaurants and entertainment facilities) were adversely affected, gambling addictions did become a worse problem, etc etc.)

Anyway, this is my second triple whoredomness.
woo hoo.

**Lias** · 10th March 2005, 14:58

Bloody SAffers invading , I dunno :-)

Gaan kak in die mielies, jou bliksemse meidenaaier (or someit like that :-P )

Me have SAffer mates? never :-)

**Biff** · 10th March 2005, 14:59

Don't forget Viffie, if you're ever find yourself in this neck of the woods there’s a Bird here waiting for your sumptuous arse to sit astride it and take it for a spin.

**vifferman** · 10th March 2005, 15:10

Originally Posted by Biff Baff

Don't forget Viffie, if you're ever find yourself in this neck of the woods there’s a Bird here waiting for your sumptuous arse to sit astride it and take it for a spin.

Dunno 'bout sumptuous - it's got fatter since I became a professional KB contributor, but it's not huge. However, if I lost 10kg, I'd be happier, and the same weight I was before I became a Blob.

Oh yeah - thanx for the offer.

Same goes for you.

**Paul in NZ** · 10th March 2005, 15:12

Originally Posted by vifferman

No, you're spot on.

And it's happening: we didn't have problems with gambling rings, kidnappings, etc. before we adopted that crazy immigration policy.

Here's a semi-related thing: when the casino proponents were trying to get the first casino built here, one of the arguments they used was: Tourists expect it. They can gamble overseas, and they won't come here if they can't gamble here as well.
Why? Why should they come here and expect it to be the same? Surely any uniqueness we have is a good (attractive) thing?

(In any case, all the arguments for the casino were bullshit. I was living in Chch when they reviewed the first year of its operation. While it posted a bigger profit than expected, summat like 90% of the customers were local, most of the employees were not locals or NZers, local businesses (restaurants and entertainment facilities) were adversely affected, gambling addictions did become a worse problem, etc etc.)

Anyway, this is my second triple whoredomness.
woo hoo.

Yup. Thats a classic example... Really, we got along just fine without Casinos... Who got the biggest gain from them? Sure, a few extra jobs but a few big companies made heaps and the rest of us paid more to pick up the pieces.

**Lias** · 10th March 2005, 15:32

RANT

I think we NEED radical change to our immigration policies to protect our way of life. Some of the things I'd like to see (but dont have a hope in hell of seeing under Comrade Clark)

I think all immigrants need to speak GOOD english for a start. Preferabbly they need to have a decent amount of moolah in the bank, and good skills & certifications (dodgy third world universitiy degrees that are prolly faked need not apply.

We should stop taking refugees, and "quota" migrants (IE open door policy for xxx many thousand pacific islanders a year).

Any country which consitantly sends us people who become overstayers should be cut off. Anyone from that country wanting entry to NZ AT ALL should have to post a a large ($100k+) bond to get past customs.

End to chain migration for extended family, only allow spouse/kids.

Eviction of all current migrants who are not yet full citizens who do not meet basic english language ability criteria.

Charging all non citizens for health care, schooling, etc etc.

No benefits for non citizens, if they cannot support themselves, deport them.

Instant deportation for any immigrant who commits a crime within ~10 years of arrival. Regardless of whether this may sentence them to death at home.

As it stands our immigration system is completely FUBAR'd. I have a mate who used to be a WINZ case manager, I used to spend alot of time down at his work because it was close to my work and his lunchroom was better than mine. Every single case manager there regardless of race (vast majority were not european, mostly maori/PI) wanted to ban somalian/ethiopians from ever entering the country. I could go on for hours on the stories they told me but suffice to say it sounds like the vast majority of them destroy their passports so they cant be identified/deported easily, lie through their teeth to chain migrate each other, and almost universally speak no english and stay on the dole for a long long time. Aside from letting in trash like this, we also have this freak Zaoui being allowed to stay in the country. Hell if theres even a chance he's what the SIS say he is, we should be deporting his ass. Then we have this Tuvaluean overstayer, who has beaten his wife twice, but hasnt been sent to jail or deported, because the fat cunt will die without the horrendously expensive dialysis we are providing for him.

On the flipside I've had two friends (one a afrkiaaner chap, the other a african-american lady) who've seemed to me to be ideal immigrants, and both had all sorts of troubles. The bloke was married to a Kiwi, had a good solid job, had the support of his church, & his wifes family. The american lady had two university degrees, over half a million NZ in the bank, and support from friends & family over here. Both of them had to jump through all sorts of bloody hoops trying to get residency, let alone citizenship yet we seem to give these same things away to all sorts of non english speaking useless wastes of space.

If that doesnt make our system FUBAR'd then I dunno what does.

/RANT

**Wolf** · 10th March 2005, 15:45

Originally Posted by jimbo600

What I'm in New Zealand? Fuck I though I was in Australia. Never mind I'll just catch the ferry over.

Nah, ride over on the Auckland-Sydney Harbour bridge taht all these yanks talk about... (No offence to our resident Umerkins)

**MSTRS:Me** · 10th March 2005, 16:46

Originally Posted by LiasTZ

RANT

I think we NEED radical change to our immigration policies to protect our way of life. Some of the things I'd like to see (but dont have a hope in hell of seeing under Comrade Clark)

I think all immigrants need to speak GOOD english for a start. Preferabbly they need to have a decent amount of moolah in the bank, and good skills & certifications (dodgy third world universitiy degrees that are prolly faked need not apply.

We should stop taking refugees, and "quota" migrants (IE open door policy for xxx many thousand pacific islanders a year).

Any country which consitantly sends us people who become overstayers should be cut off. Anyone from that country wanting entry to NZ AT ALL should have to post a a large ($100k+) bond to get past customs.

End to chain migration for extended family, only allow spouse/kids.

Eviction of all current migrants who are not yet full citizens who do not meet basic english language ability criteria.

Charging all non citizens for health care, schooling, etc etc.

No benefits for non citizens, if they cannot support themselves, deport them.

Instant deportation for any immigrant who commits a crime within ~10 years of arrival. Regardless of whether this may sentence them to death at home.

As it stands our immigration system is completely FUBAR'd. I have a mate who used to be a WINZ case manager, I used to spend alot of time down at his work because it was close to my work and his lunchroom was better than mine. Every single case manager there regardless of race (vast majority were not european, mostly maori/PI) wanted to ban somalian/ethiopians from ever entering the country. I could go on for hours on the stories they told me but suffice to say it sounds like the vast majority of them destroy their passports so they cant be identified/deported easily, lie through their teeth to chain migrate each other, and almost universally speak no english and stay on the dole for a long long time. Aside from letting in trash like this, we also have this freak Zaoui being allowed to stay in the country. Hell if theres even a chance he's what the SIS say he is, we should be deporting his ass. Then we have this Tuvaluean overstayer, who has beaten his wife twice, but hasnt been sent to jail or deported, because the fat cunt will die without the horrendously expensive dialysis we are providing for him.

On the flipside I've had two friends (one a afrkiaaner chap, the other a african-american lady) who've seemed to me to be ideal immigrants, and both had all sorts of troubles. The bloke was married to a Kiwi, had a good solid job, had the support of his church, & his wifes family. The american lady had two university degrees, over half a million NZ in the bank, and support from friends & family over here. Both of them had to jump through all sorts of bloody hoops trying to get residency, let alone citizenship yet we seem to give these same things away to all sorts of non english speaking useless wastes of space.

If that doesnt make our system FUBAR'd then I dunno what does.

/RANT

Thought of running in the next election. I'll vote for you

**Biff** · 10th March 2005, 16:52

Hmm general principles are ok, but some of your views are a bit extreme for me.

Even us poms (benefiting from having a wad of cash to bring here due to higher property values in the UK) would have a problem getting together the kind of bond you refer to, and I'd hate to think that you'd want to keep the likes of me out!

But I agree with some of your views re' immigration. Particularly those economic migrants from third world countries playing it dumb and burning their passports.

I don't however agree that you should stop accepting genuine immigrants as defined by the UN. I believe that every country in the world has a degree of moral responsibility to offer sanctuary to the persecuted. But scroungers and extended families? Ship them back home.

**Big Dave** · 10th March 2005, 17:13

Originally Posted by LiasTZ

I concur.. I just wish people would stop trying to americanise us.

Oh how I loathe America.

loathe? strong word. You've never driven a 1964 Mustang?
bd

**Oscar** · 10th March 2005, 17:30

Originally Posted by Big Dave

loathe? strong word. You've never driven a 1964 Mustang?
bd

Slightly off topic (what me? Hijack a thread?), but do you read Fred?
Fred On Everything

He's described as "America's Leading Expatriate Curmudgeon", and his latest missive is aimed at TV (and as a result at the Americanisation of Planet Earth):

...Denunciations of television have become as routine as breathing: the programming is crass, stupid, propagandistic, so bad that only an idiot would watch it yet everybody does. Actually things are worse. They are much worse.

To see what is happening, start with what may be the crucial truth of our times: People will watch a screen. They will watch anything in preference to nothing, watch programs they don’t really like, comedies so unfunny that only the laugh track tells them when to respond. The bright know that the fare is witless, that it is directed at fools. The ads irritate them. Yet they too watch.

People cannot not watch television.

...In the living rooms of the whole world, Hollywood has a little window open to the minds of the people. Nobody can escape. In remote towns in the Bolivian altiplano, the values of Hollyork dance on screens. Children in India, in Iran and Uruguay, day after day gradually become what Barbra Streisand and Sylvester Stallone think they should be. Such people know and care nothing for civilizations that have existed for thousands of years.

..What does Hollyork promote? Toleration of foul language and a concomitant coarsening of society; hostility between men and women; truculent illiteracy and the values of the black ghetto; the elevation of homosexuality and promiscuity; disdain for religion; use of drugs, interracial sex, destructive feminism, eradication of the remnants of Anglo-European Christian civilization. It is not accidental.

Do I exaggerate? Think. Every night you see blonde women reading the news. When did you last see a blond man on the screen? Do you think this a coincidence in an industry that calculates motivations to four decimal places? Consider the constant scenes in which women slap men around, kick them in the crotch, participate in gunfights while men cower. Can you believe that the sudden disappearance of the word “Christmas” from permissible discourse wasn’t deliberate? That the rigid exclusion of any but politically correct views from discussion is a coincidence?

My point is not that all these things are in all respects bad, but rather that they are being decided remotely and imposed without consent. American society is being carefully, calculatedly sculpted. A small group of unelected people, having no obvious qualifications of morality or taste, now control the culture of the United States. Our souls belong to Ted Turner and Jane Fonda.

**Lias** · 11th March 2005, 08:43

Originally Posted by Big Dave

loathe? strong word. You've never driven a 1964 Mustang?
bd

To clarify, I hate the way America as a country tries to bully the rest of the world, and looks down on everyone else. I hate the average Americans lack of knowledge of the world beyond their borders, and the seeming ingrained belief that they are better than the rest of us, etc etc.

Not all of them are ignorant, arrogant twatwaffles, but far far too many are for my liking.

I'd still happily take the mustang for a spin thou :-)