Pride in New Zealand

[jrandom]

Yeah, I wasn't fussed on that, but he does modify his remarks:

My point is not that all these things are in all respects bad, but rather that they are being decided remotely and imposed without consent.

Sure, but it takes a certain kind of person to even *notice* something like 'interracial sex'. The fact that he finds himself capable of identifying that as a presumed 'agenda' betrays his thought patterns, and discredits him as a commentator.

In any case, you can tell that his last sentence, there, was just tacked on as a palliative, nothing more than lip-service. Ill bet you that in reality, he's as far away from the "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" position as one can be.

In fact, he's just another facet of what makes Murka an unpleasant place. Far as I can tell, there are no sane, intelligent people over there, just Bible-thumping bigots and mad gay tree-huggers sniping at each other across a dead wasteland of shattered ideals.

[Oscar]

Sure, but it takes a certain kind of person to even *notice* something like 'interracial sex'. The fact that he finds himself capable of identifying that as a presumed 'agenda' betrays his thought patterns, and discredits him as a commentator.

In any case, you can tell that his last sentence, there, was just tacked on as a palliative, nothing more than lip-service. Ill bet you that in reality, he's as far away from the "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" position as one can be.

In fact, he's just another facet of what makes Murka an unpleasant place. Far as I can tell, there are no sane, intelligent people over there, just Bible-thumping bigots and mad gay tree-huggers sniping at each other across a dead wasteland of shattered ideals.

My favourite example of recent days is the Bush Administration telling Syria they have no right to occupy Lebanon...

[jrandom]

My favourite example of recent days is the Bush Administration telling Syria they have no right to occupy Lebanon...

Heh.

Did you read The Onion this week? My favourite article:

Bush Announces Iraq Exit Strategy: 'We'll Go Through Iran'

[Blakamin]

Just found a problem with this country...THIS is a national news story.... ffs....

[jrandom]

Just found a problem with this country...THIS is a national news story.... ffs....

You're obviously not a Coro fan.

[moko]

I loved it when I was there,if I could move there then I would but dont have the relavent skills e.t.c. For those of you taking your country for granted here`s what you`re missing.Apart from our notoriously erratic weather we have over-crowded roads,filth and litter everywhere to such an extent that most dont even notice it any more.Local taxes,petrol,income tax e.t.c. way higher than you pay.Vandalism and street crime is epidemic and if you venture into any town centre on a friday or saturday night then you stand a very good chance of getting attacked for no reason other than you were just in the wrong place.There are beggers in the street,mostly local but organised gangs of east europeans are spreading from London.Get burgled and the most likely response is for the Police to give you a "crime number",this is what you need to claim on your insurance,often the Police interest ends there.Not their fault,while crime is rife they`re forever having their hands tied by politicians who tell them things like "dont stop and search black males in brixton because it`s racist".The fact that Brixton is 90% black and with a horrendous crime level,particularly muggings,is apparently irrelavent.Gangs of asylum seekers fighting,and maiming, each other(not media scare-mongering,3 serious incidents in my city over the last year).
N.Z`ers are indeed a lot more open and friendly than Brits,most of whom tend to be very wary of strangers and with good reason.A large proportion are ignorant,arrogant and aggressive,say "Hi" to a stranger in the street in hamilton and most will give you a friendly reply,do that here and you`ll either get them very worried or you`ll get a dirty look or worse.
Ordinary people feel persecuted in their own country as the politically correct dicks in power chuck money and facilities at criminals,illegal immigrants,,junkies e.t.c. while pensioners die of cold in winter and people get arrested for protecting themselves against burglars or someone they`ve just seen chuck a brick through their window.For all the N.Z. govts faults at least you dont have some power-junkie running rough-shod over democracy with all manner of ancient laws he`s managed to dig up that apparently give him the right to do so.you dont like the Royals?Neither do I but the bastards live here and I pay for them all the time,not just when their on their hols.
Most of this shit has started in the last 30 years or so,standards are slipping all over the place in all kinds of areas,it wasn`t always this way here so maybe a little warning for you guys,things start to slide then the avelanche starts and it`s the apathetic that let it happen.

[Lias]

Assuming the pic on his website is him, hes not a young bloke and the time/society he grew up in didnt exactly condone interracial relationships. Would it be any wonder if some of that rubbed off on him?

To write off anything he has to say because he MIGHT be racist is exactly the sort of intolerance you appear to be accusing him of. How very liberal of you

[Blakamin]

You're obviously not a Coro fan.

simpsons going from 2 to 3 wasnt a major news story...
seriously, Its a TV show... who gives a farq.... it wasn't in entertainment either.. it was in NEWS... :spudwhat:

[Oscar]

Assuming the pic on his website is him, hes not a young bloke and the time/society he grew up in didnt exactly condone interracial relationships. Would it be any wonder if some of that rubbed off on him?

To write off anything he has to say because he MIGHT be racist is exactly the sort of intolerance you appear to be accusing him of. How very liberal of you

Whereas I think jrandomn's comment was valid, I think you have to take Fred's comments and Fred in context.
He is an older man, very conservative, from the South.

[Big Dave]

He is an older man, very conservative, from the South.

You obviously have some 'curd-muncher-istic' alignment.
Wouldn't be my choice for a dinner guest - we don't have servants.

FWIW i'd tell fred i don't watch much 'television' - plenty of Sky sports, occasional comedy on UK TV and NADA American at all.
Last 3 films I saw at the cinema were 3 LOTR - a year apart.
Hollywood etc is completely irrelevant to me. Another great thing about living here!

Still haven't heard from vege re tdm btw

bd
O I C A F E G - benny hill 1976

[Oscar]

You obviously have some 'curd-muncher-istic' alignment.
Wouldn't be my choice for a dinner guest - we don't have servants.

FWIW i'd tell fred i don't watch much 'television' - plenty of Sky sports, occasional comedy on UK TV and NADA American at all.
Last 3 films I saw at the cinema were 3 LOTR - a year apart.
Hollywood etc is completely irrelevant to me. Another great thing about living here!

Still haven't heard from vege re tdm btw

bd
O I C A F E G - benny hill 1976

I struggle with that old time thinking. I'm a 21st Century Curmudgeon...

vege must have summat you can ride...waddabout his GS?

[Big Dave]

vege must have summat you can ride...waddabout his GS?

Bluster, choke, exclaim - Oscar! I'm a styley guy!
I'm over there on Monday (It begins!) - will advise.
chz
bd

[Lou Girardin]

Well Moko, is it possible that Enoch Powell was a little bit correct. Maybe not "rivers of blood" but certainly some trickles.

[Oscar]

Bluster, choke, exclaim - Oscar! I'm a styley guy!
I'm over there on Monday (It begins!) - will advise.
chz
bd

Don't be a baby...anyways if it comes to that I'll ride the pig, er I mean the GS and you can ride the LC4.

I think he's workin on a KTM525 for you.

[Paul in NZ]

Yes, it is easy to gain the impression that the 'merkins are all gun totin' nutters and that the place is some sort of vast waste land of burnt out ghettos between movie stars walled compounds.

It's not like that at all...

I've been lucky enough to live and work with some really nice people over there (as well as a few stereotypical ones I admit)

I participate in an merkin Guzzi board that has featured a few spats lately and out of the blue comes this post from Joe. I have placed it here to demostrate that not all merkins are mad.

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Not so long ago, the good people on this board raised almost $3,000 to help the widow of a fellow Guzzi rider. No questions asked. No smart aleck comments. One of our members here won the bike that was raffled off to raise the money----and turned around and donated the bike back to be sold to raise more money for the family.

Not so long ago, some body said, “pick a date”, and the first Gaggle was born. Guys and gals came to a small place in Alabama from places as far away as Texas, Tennessee and Ohio. And lots of places closer. Folks from all walks of life got together, discovered their common interests and accommodated their differences. No questions asked. No smart aleck comments.

Not so long ago, my oldest son was severely injured. People from all over the world sent their love, prayers and support to him, my family and me through this board. No questions asked. No smart aleck comments.

Not so long ago, one could come to this board, and want to share everything on it with your wife, children, friend or a stranger.

A long winter is no excuse for what has gone on here lately. Some of the most vitriolic and disrespectful posts have come from places like California and Texas. I don’t recall anybody in those two states being snowed in this winter, and if they were, that’s sill no excuse.

Contrary to what is claimed by a few, this is not a matter of political correctness. Some years ago, William Alexander Percy wrote a short book called “Lanterns on the Levee”. He took the title from the night in 1927 when the Mississippi River broke through the levee at Greenville, Mississippi. Those lanterns were carried by people from all walks of life---in 1927, some of the people on the levee that night had been owned by other people on the levee that night. All of them worked together that night to save their homes. In that book, Mr. Percy discusses the difference between a “good manner” and good manners. A “good manner”, like the current political correctness, is false façade put up to convince others that you are something you are not or shoved in another’s face to silence a different point of view.

Good manners, on the other hand, stem from a fundamental respect for other people and the views and beliefs that they hold. Good manners are not the same thing as etiquette. Good manners are not about which fork to use or who extends their hand first. Good manners are the social lubricant that we all use to get through the day. They are the tools that we use to establish some common ground and help us frame the ground rules for our disagreements. A good example of good manners can be found in the 4 simple rules that govern discussion on this board.

If I want rude behavior, all I have to do is listen at any stop light I come to. Chances are I can hear the worst sort of vulgarity coming from a car within earshot, along with its chrome trim vibrating off due to the bass and volume.

All of us that use this board have been invited into Luap’s living room and each and everything said here winds up in all of our living rooms. He has posted 4 simple rules at the door. Each and every person that posts here is capable of living up to those 4 simple rules.
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