How to tell if motorbike NZ-new or import?

**KX500** · 7th April 2009, 21:04

Cheerz all

Ta Vern for the email addie. Be good to have a few documents from Gov departments like the "Ecilops" non stolen declaration, NZTA blurb printed off.

Think opition 2 with the frame is you buy a KLX650 etc and put the 500 motor in and then later "when frame cracks" put 500 into KX500 frame that happens to be lying about.

How does the law sit with say you got a VTR 1000 and you put a TL1000 motor in the VTR ? Does the VTR need re-vinning ?

No lights on yet, don't really want to go to exspense and work of lighting coil and signals, speedo, silencer if its a no go what so ever. Trying to suss out best way to "present" and if possible instead of getting a flat no when "holding the tounge differently" may have helped

Sounds like a walk in the park the declaration, good point about stolen bike part, would not put it past the GT "owner"

Only stickers to remove are on swing arm - covered up 500 stickers - like being a Wolve in Sheeps clothing

**motorbyclist** · 7th April 2009, 23:37

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

Simple solutions:

1. Get a old b/w number that has not been in system for approx 10 years and fit to bike. Then ride to the WOF place and ask them to VIN it. They will not find it in system and the outcome will be that their system does not go far back enuf. You will get a VIN number and new plate.

i tried that, instead of "well damn we should have put that in the computer" i got "you need proof it has been previously registered in NZ"

**Conquiztador** · 8th April 2009, 01:24

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

i tried that, instead of "well damn we should have put that in the computer" i got "you need proof it has been previously registered in NZ"

Probably depends on who you get. As mentioned, I have never done this... but I have heard... that it is a way to get the thingy VIN'ned. And if the old plate has one or more of those coloured stickers on it then you are on to a winner. I have heard...

**MSTRS:Me** · 8th April 2009, 08:59

Originally Posted by KX500

No lights on yet, don't really want to go to exspense and work of lighting coil and signals, speedo, silencer if its a no go what so ever. Trying to suss out best way to "present" and if possible instead of getting a flat no when "holding the tounge differently" may have helped

How do you propose to get VINned when it's not 'road legal' anyway?
Carjam can't help if it's not been previously registered.
The Kawasaki importer could help if the bike came in new, but not if used.
If Police 'have no interest' that's a start, but if it was used import then you're fucked without paperwork.

Good luck.

**KX500** · 8th April 2009, 11:34

No point making road legal if the first BIGGEST hurdle can not be "jumped over" - our elected governments idea of what should comply "Yes you can register your $700 pile of cheap chinese junk mini chopper" But you dude with the 99KG built like a brick shit house - stop on a dime KX500 - you boy need the "Run around"

(Just end up with a dirty 5 good for rabbit shooting at night - which I'm not into

)

About to send numbers away to LTSA - Land Transport Sucker Association

**scott411** · 8th April 2009, 12:08

well, if you want to register it as a moped like all of the choppers are registered then you don't even need to get it vinned,
the idea saying its a custom built bike is the best idea in here, i would go see what you need to do for that,

**KX500** · 8th April 2009, 13:07

Yeah could be the go Scott, thanks.

How does it work ? Go to post office and say I want to register a moped/mini chopper and they give me the plates ?

**scott411** · 8th April 2009, 14:57

go and see VTNZ, say you want to comply a custom bike, they will give you the paperwork, you will need to get it inspected, you will need to have everything working for that inspection, that will get you a vin number and let you register it, i am unsure what checks they will do but it may include a emission check, and a noise check, but also normal stuff,

i would think you have not told the VTNZ that the bike was never made for the road and it would not be in there system,

it is not easy to get the bikes complied, especailly since you are starting with a competition bike that was never designed to go on the road, and will have that stamped on the bike in a couple of places at least, you will have to withhold bits of information to get it on the road if possible at all,

what i am trying to say is it won't be easy,

**KX500** · 8th April 2009, 15:19

Cheerz again Scott - No harm in trying

Heard back from Kawasaki New Zealand, they cannot find it in their system so think its an import. Frame 90 and motor 91, had some crank cases sent out from the USA by a member of kxriders.com so could explain the 91 bit. Will check later when head out to garage if the numbers on the crankcase, and double check all numbers.

Like been said probably comes down to who ya get on the day.

Won't they turn around though and go "This is a KX500" ? Can someone send me a rear RM guard pls, IT headlight etc - guess if it looks a bitsa I could have a chance

Try and contact some of these CRF 450 owners on Trade me that seem to have pulled it off some how.

**scott411** · 8th April 2009, 15:38

no they won;t say that, becasue it would have never been registered with LTNZ, saying its a custom is just easier than telling them the truth,

**KX500** · 8th April 2009, 15:42

Okie dokie Scott

(Just my luck for the guy to go "I use to race these KX500's with Shane King back in the day")

**KX500** · 8th April 2009, 15:45

Just waiting to hear back from NZTA, failing that the "Custom" route seems the general consensus.

**motorbyclist** · 13th April 2009, 15:25

custom route requires one of their engineer guys to come around and check that the thing is strong enough and built to a high enough standard. I suggest getting friendly with your local one

once you've got it certified I beleive you can make up to 200 of them on a low volume cert

in a perfect world they wouldn't care if your custom was infact 100% original

(edit: i see you've found out this already in your other thread)

**colsan1** · 13th April 2009, 18:22

Ask how the guys who import vintage bikes do it.
VIN numbers are a new(ish) thing on bikes (less than 20 years) so the guys
who import 1960's british stuff should be able to help.

**Max Preload** · 13th April 2009, 22:52

Originally Posted by KX500

VINZ wants to know for vinning purposes, also got to get declaration from the police saying the vehicle is of no interest to them. (Have to be a bit of a thick bugger to steal a bike then rock up to VINZ lolol)

You'd certainly have to be a bit thick to buy a bike without checking first it wasn't stolen... hmmmm...