Castrol TTS - Supercheap

[SpikedPunch]

I got the 2nd last 4l from Manukau on the way back from Harrisville. $63...cool... We go through a fair bit of it.........

We got the last one after you then I think!

[krad_nz]

Na, we were at the Botany branch

[SpikedPunch]

Na, we were at the Botany branch

Oh, it's all south to me...

[Robert Taylor]

got one of the last 4L bottles from takanini and the last two lift stands aswell, cuz puke superdum had none
$63 is the same as we normally pay for 2 x 1 L of motul 800

Motul 800 is a cleaner burning oil than TTS and you will get better crank life. Its little wonder that Casrtol has been ditched by most motorcycle dealers, they cant get the same buying privileges as the discount chains, so why support them to be undermined....

[Paulus]

Motul 800 is a cleaner burning oil than TTS and you will get better crank life.

Do you mind me asking where you got this information (specifically crank life)? I've been trying to find some unbiased tests on some of the major players in the 2T oil market (Motul 800, Motorex, TTS, etc) for some time and had no luck (maybe I didn't get the right words into google). Would be interested in seeing the tests performed and the results (and obviously who performed them). Probably so would a lot of others.

For the record I'm currently using TTS but am perfectly willing to change - I don't owe Castrol any particular loyalty.

Cheers.

[Robert Taylor]

Do you mind me asking where you got this information (specifically crank life)? I've been trying to find some unbiased tests on some of the major players in the 2T oil market (Motul 800, Motorex, TTS, etc) for some time and had no luck (maybe I didn't get the right words into google). Would be interested in seeing the tests performed and the results (and obviously who performed them). Probably so would a lot of others.

For the record I'm currently using TTS but am perfectly willing to change - I don't owe Castrol any particular loyalty.

Cheers.

From many years of building / porting 2 stroke 125 and 250cc race engines, in MX, 250GP / Formula 2 / Karting. We used ( and quickly discarded ) many oils and predominantly used either Castrol or Motul products. We built engines for many over the years including Shayne King, Darly Hurley, Andrew Hardisty, Michael Cotter, Mike Webb,Ben Townley ( all NZ champions ) and 4 NZ gearbox class kart champions. Motors were stripped constantly, the condition and wear was always visibly better with Motul 800. Very often we ran someone elses stickers ( eg Belray with Hardisty during both his 96 and 2000 125cc title years ) but used the oil we trusted most and had always had best results with. In a nutshell nothing documented but lots of empirical experience.
2 Stroke engine or any engine modification is now a past life with us and we are now totally focused on suspension and therefore who has the best suspension fluid.

[Taz]

are now totally focused on suspension and therefore who has the best suspension fluid.

So who has the best suspension fluid?

[clmintie]

Very often we ran someone elses stickers ( eg Belray with Hardisty during both his 96 and 2000 125cc title years ) but used the oil we trusted most and had always had best results with.

Wow, that's quite an admission, not expecting to get Belray on board as next years sponsor huh?

What suspension are you really using under the Ohlins stickers?

[Robert Taylor]

So who has the best suspension fluid?

Ill be accused of saying ''well you would say that''.....Ohlins fluid, and we have tried EVERYTHING over the decades. The fork fluids have exceptional cold flow properties and they have shock fluids that are very stable at very high temps such as occurs in Formula car racing. Ohlins suspension fluid is predominantly made by a Norwegian company ''Statoil'', also some is sourced from a Japanese company. That particular fluid is run in Ohlins suspended MotoGP and WSBK / WSS600 i.e nearly all of the bikes at that level.

[Robert Taylor]

Wow, that's quite an admission, not expecting to get Belray on board as next years sponsor huh?

What suspension are you really using under the Ohlins stickers?

And the reason was big end bearing and cage skid at high rpm. In all fairness they may now have fixed that issue.

You know the answer to your second paragraph.

[arj127]

The reason most of these guys are using Castrol is because that is what there wallet dictates. Surely if you change your oil often enough you could get away with a slighter cheaper oil type?

It kind of sucks that motorcycle shops put 140 percent mark up on Motul

[Dooly]

Its little wonder that Casrtol has been ditched by most motorcycle dealers, they cant get the same buying privileges as the discount chains, so why support them to be undermined....

Exactly why we dumped Castrol from our garage.
They took all their pumps and racks etc away when we told them.
Supercheap were so much cheaper due to their buying, and despite us buying in bulk via pump over into tanks, they would never give us a sharp price, so after 22 yrs......take a hike!!!

[Taz]

Ill be accused of saying ''well you would say that''.....Ohlins fluid, and we have tried EVERYTHING over the decades. The fork fluids have exceptional cold flow properties and they have shock fluids that are very stable at very high temps such as occurs in Formula car racing. Ohlins suspension fluid is predominantly made by a Norwegian company ''Statoil'', also some is sourced from a Japanese company. That particular fluid is run in Ohlins suspended MotoGP and WSBK / WSS600 i.e nearly all of the bikes at that level.

Well you would say that!!

[Robert Taylor]

The reason most of these guys are using Castrol is because that is what there wallet dictates. Surely if you change your oil often enough you could get away with a slighter cheaper oil type?

It kind of sucks that motorcycle shops put 140 percent mark up on Motul

Well no, there are many issues such as boundary lubrication etc etc. In a 2 stroke cheap premix oil makes no sense because you end up throwing rebuild parts such as piston kits and rod bearings at them with higher frequency. Plus increased decoke frequency for the ''dirty burn'' brands. False economy. Or cheap ends up costing you more.
140% ?????????? Heck we never made that much on oil. And how many motorcycle dealers do you see living in the lap of luxury?

[Robert Taylor]

Exactly why we dumped Castrol from our garage.
They took all their pumps and racks etc away when we told them.
Supercheap were so much cheaper due to their buying, and despite us buying in bulk via pump over into tanks, they would never give us a sharp price, so after 22 yrs......take a hike!!!

Yep, and the counter staff in such outlets would in almost all cases know little about oil or be able to make reccommendations for specific applications. Parasites.