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    How to wheelie

    For those that want to learn - an article for you (note:  I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, good at this)

    The basics, or can I wheelie my bike?
    If your bike doesn't have a side car, or a trailer, it can probably be wheelied. I've wheelied dirt bikes, street bikes, and a couple of standards. I've seen Harleys, Goldwings, Katanas, and 125's all pawing at the sky. Yes, your bike can wheelie. Wheelies are made up of three parts. The launch, getting the front wheel off the ground. The balancing portion, riding the wheelie as long as you safely can, clicking gears along the way. This is the most difficult part of wheeling to master. And lastly, set down phase, placing the front wheel back on the ground as safely as possible, trying to place as little wear and tear as possible on your bike.




    1) The Launch
    The launch isn't the most difficult part of doing a wheelie. But I'll spend the most time on this section, because this is where there is the most variation. The less power you have, the fewer your options are. I'm going to divide the launch into three sections. Rolling it on, suspension help, and clutch help.


    2) Rolling it on
    This is probably the safest way, to launch a wheelie, but it doesn't work on an EX-500, or many older 600's. Simply put, just gradually increase your throttle while in first gear, until you are wide open. If your bike has enough power, your front wheel will just come up. I've found this to work very easily on a Suzuki TL1000s, and a Yamaha R1. Didn't work on my 93 900rr, sometimes works on my Kawaski ZX-11. Never works on my pocket bike. If you have a 600 that you want to do this with, just lower the gearing. With race gearing on GSXR600's this technique also works. With the stock gearing, no way in hell. So exactly how do you roll it on. Go to about 1/3 of your tach range in 1st gear, then in the amount of time it takes you to say one-thousand-one, have the throttle at full.


    3) Using Suspensions to help
    Ok, so your bike won't roll it on, but you don't want to abuse your clutch. I'm going to talk here about things you can do, that basically assist the roll-on wheelie. This may take practice to work well, but understanding the concepts will apply to any bike. If your bike doesn't do a roll on wheelie, find yourself a steep road, and see if you can wheelie uphill. Is it easier? It should be. The reason why, is that your center of gravity, has already been moved back, lightening your front end. Once you get the wheel off the ground, it takes less power to get it higher.

    Those first two inches are the hardest part. Before you ride your bike next time, put both feet on the ground, and push as hard as you can on the front end. Then let it come back up. Practice bouncing the front end up and down. Push hard, and let it come back up. While riding your bike, you can get a similar behavior, by using the throttle. If you whack the throttle open, the front end will come up. At its peak, if you shut the throttle down, engine braking, in combination with the weight of your front end will cause it to go back down. When it's at the bottom of its stroke, if you whack the throttle back open again, you can use the expansion of your front springs, along with your acceleration, to help lift the front wheel. In fact, it doesn't take much at all, to do this.

    I'll use my GSXR with stock gearing as an example. I would get going in first gear, so the tach was at about 8500 rpm. Then I would shut the throttle down, then whack it back on. Tugging at the bars a little also helps. This snapping of the throttle is a much quicker movement then rolling your throttle on. Not as quick as you can do it, but I guess that the entire movement should take about 1/2 or less of a second. Basically, go from steady state, shut down, then full open. After some practice you will learn how to time it with your suspension.


    4) Using the clutch
    So you still can't get the front wheel to come up? I actually find that clutching it up, gives me the most predictable wheelies than any other method. Why? Its much easier to do exactly the same thing over, and over. Basically get rolling in 2nd gear to an RPM of about 1/3 to 1/2 of your maximum hp. This is what worked well on my GSXR-750, with stock gearing. I would go to about 5000 rpm in 2nd gear. Pull in the clutch, rev the engine a time or two, to time it so that the throttle would be wide open and the clutch releasing as the tach swept 9-10k.

    The next thing you know, your front wheel is way up in the air, and your RPM's are at about 8,000 with the throttle full on. At this point, I would have to roll off some, to find the balance point of the bike. As you learn to do this on your own bike, start out conservatively on your clutch release point, and gradually increase the RPM's each time you try it, until the wheel comes up so high you have to roll off the throttle a tad. You may want to cover your rear brake while you are learning this as well, in case you go too high. Standing up fast, will also help put the front end back down if you over do it. Remember these things!


    5) Shifting
    Ok, so now you have the front wheel up. How do you keep it up? Shift! It's actually much easier then it seems. When you can ride a long ways in first gear without being full-throttle, you are more than ready to shift. My favorite way to shift, is without the clutch. If you haven't done clutchless shifts before, practice on two wheels first. To do a clutchless shift, apply upward pressure to the shift lever, while you are full on the gas, then just briefly snap the throttle, off an on again. This is the fastest way to shift. When on one wheel, you have to get the front wheel really high, to the point where you need to let off the gas from tipping over. At this point, shift! Balance and practice are both important steps here. Practice those clutchless shifts.


    6) Bringing it down.
    So now your front wheel is going down. Either because you got scared and let off the gas, or you just don't have the power to keep it up. Make sure that your front wheel is pointing straight ahead, and keep the throttle open Wide! You want to set the front wheel down as easy as possible. If you chop the throttle, your landing will be very hard, so stay on the gas! Or if you need to come down, just briefly roll off the gas, then get right back on it again, until the front wheel sets down. Expect a chirping noise, and sometimes at higher speeds a bit of a wobble, but as long as the wheel is straight, it's not a big deal.


    7) Body position
    Where you place your body during where wheelie can have some interesting effects. If you put all of your weight on your footpegs, and sorta stand up, I've found it easiest to get really close to the balance point this way, but it's more difficult to shift while in that position. My reasoning for why balancing is easier standing, is that I've noticed you don't have to spend so much effort holding your body in place, which is frequently done by your hands pulling back on the handlebars.


    Another reason, could be that your legs are better balance sensors than your butt. In any event, it's definitely worth a try. Hanging off to the side, was something I really started doing without noticing and I was always veering off to one side.

    You might do this, so that you can see where you are going. When your front end gets way up in the air, you can't see over it very well. So you might have a tendency to lean over one side to get a glimpse around. What I found out, is that you can steer this way. To keep yourself, in the center of your lane, just hang off, the same as you would if you were riding with no hands.


    8) Does this hurt my Bike?
    When you are first learning you will probably do more damage to your bike then during any other time. This is mainly because of missed shifts, or rear brake stomping, or anything that slams your front end down. You may bust a fork seal. You will probably wear out your steering stem bearings faster than normal, and you will definitely need to tighten your steering head down more frequently. You may also wear your rear tire slightly flat, as hard wheelie acceleration wears out the centers more quickly than normal. You will stretch your chain out, if you use the clutch method. Another detriment to the clutch method, aren't clutch wear, but clutch basket wear. The sudden force of the clutch plates against the ears of the basket can notch the basket. This will prevent you from pulling in the clutch, any time there is load on the engine. Of course, all sorts of fasteners may come loose a little faster than normal, I've noticed mirrors and other front end body fasteners in particular want to fall off. So check out em out frequently.

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    Re: How to Wheelie

    Originally posted by wkid_one
    The launch isn't the most difficult part of doing a wheelie. But I'll
    Correction: launching is easy on a superbike......not-flipping it is quite hard somehow.....
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    looks, reads. shakes head....i dont think i have a reason to, maybe when in world superbike champ.lol
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    Originally posted by babyB
    looks, reads. shakes head....i dont think i have a reason to, maybe when in world superbike champ.lol
    Oh but you do!

    Burnouts, Stoppies, Wheelstands.. the lot!

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    every time I see someone doing a wheelie on hte road I pray that his insurance guy is watching

    it has a place but it aint on the road.
    If you say either "I can" or "I can't" your correct.

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    I think i will go out and try it @ lunch time. write one on stoppies next dude.

     
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    Goto your local video store and rent out the 'Fast Bikes' series.

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    Originally posted by Gixxer
    I think i will go out and try it @ lunch time. write one on stoppies next dude.

     
    The Stuntlife site will tell you everything you need to know about stunting.

    Be warned though, its not a matter of "if" you'll crash, but "when".

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    I didn't write this - it is from http://www.teamx-treem.net

     

     

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    got the wheel up twice on the way to AMPs yesterday, used  the roll on method.

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    I didnt write this but it helped me out..... although learning on a driveway is not recommended

    Part One: Can I Actually Do This?
    The answer to this question is a definite maybe. As far as stunts on road-going bikes go, the stoppie ranks right up near the top
    for damage potential for both you and your bike. Stoppies are troublesome in that if you mess one up, the chances are you will
    end up on the ground with your bike. Some things to remember:
    1: Start out small. Stoppies are not easy. This is why you rarely see them done.
    2: Realize the difference between your intentions and your capabilities.
    3: Wear gear! As I said, if a stoppie goes wrong you will most likely end up on the ground. Since you are doing a
    stunt that requires hard use of the brakes, you will most likely not be travelling that fast. However, even at 20
    miles per hour or less, a good bump on the noggin can hurt you big time. Road rash doesn't feel too good either. So
    wear a helmet and gloves and all the rest of the usual stunt gear.

    Part Two: Equipment
    To do a stoppie on a motorcycle, you need four things. First, you need a motorcycle that is not likely to fall apart under stress.
    Second, you need good front brakes- after all, you are going to be using them to stand the bike on its nose, right? Third, you
    need good sticky tires. If your tires are not up to snuff, all you will do is lock the front wheel. Finally, you need good pavement.
    If you choose to do a stoppie, look for good grippy asphalt or concrete without oil, dirt, or loose surfacing that will come up and
    dump you on your nose.

    Part Three: Location, Location, Location
    Find a good spot to practice stoppies. Look for a place with good, clean pavement, for the reasons noted above. Also, look for a
    place where you can act like a fool without bothering people. Last but not least, make sure there are no police anywhere.
    Keeping all of this in mind, good places to practice stoppies include clean parking lots, roads fronting co-ed dorms, and the
    streets adjacent to hospitals.

    Part Four: The Man Hates Stoppies
    Police hate stunts on motorcycles. If you are on private property and the police find you, at the very least you can expect to be
    shooed away. If you are unlucky, there are always trespassing and disturbing the peace. If you are on a public road and get
    caught standing your bike on its nose, you can get nailed for whatever the cop feels like nailing you for. I have a friend who got
    a ticket for "Exhibition of Deceleration," can you dig?

    Part Five: Is This Likely to Break My Bike?
    If done right, probably not. Chances are if your bike would be damaged by a stoppie, it wouldn't be capable of doing stoppies in
    the first place. I have seen pictures of bikes being endoed with their fork tubes bending. The only thing you really have to worry
    about with a stoppie done right is the back tire slamming back to earth, so maybe your shock might take some abuse. Also, if
    any bodywork is loose, this may be exacerbated by the aforementioned slamming.

    Part Six: What If I Screw This Up?
    First of all, If you lock the front wheel while the back is in the air, you will crash, unless you are incredibly lucky. Second, unlike
    a wheelie, where you can save yourself by slamming the throttle shut and/or hitting the back brake, if you start going too far
    over in a stoppie, only your God can help you.
    If all goes wrong, expect broken bodywork (if your bike is so equipped, bent things if it is not), most likely on the side. Imagine
    standing your bike on its nose and toppling it, and you can get an idea of the damage. There is also the chance that the bike
    might flip over the front wheel and bodyslam itself to bits. If you are under it when this happens, you might get squooshed. Ever
    have a bike fall over on you and bury a peg in your head, your spine, or you grollies? Neither have I, but just imagine..

    Part Seven: Let's Stand the Bitch on Her Nose!
    There are two kinds of stoppie- The Stopping Stoppie and the Rolling Stoppie. The Stopping Stoppie is easier than the other, so
    we will start with this one first.
    First thing you want to do is make sure your tire is nice and sticky. Ride around with the front brake on a while to warm up the
    tire. It works nicely.
    Next, ride forward and practice mashing the brake. Using all four fingers, get some good hard stops in, testing the limit of the
    tire. Practice getting the tire to the point of locking so you are familiar with the phenomenon. Get to where if the front tire locks,
    you know it before it puts you on your ear. You should already know how to do this being a motorcycle person.
    Now, having ensured that your tire will not lock easily and knowing what to do if it does, ride forward at about 20 miles per
    hour. Keep your weight on the balls of your feet and on your hands. Pull in the clutch. Now, using all four fingers, progressively
    squeeze the front brake, loading the front tire. As you get closer to 0 miles per hour, sqeeze harder and harder.
    Right before you reach 0, kinda bounce on the pegs and mash the front brake really damn hard while leaning forward slightly
    to get the weight on the front. Remember what you are doing at this point, you don't want to flip over, ok? So think about it.
    Chances are the back won't come up on the first try. Try again, using more brake and more weight transfer. If you do it right,
    the rear tire will come up slightly. If it is going too high too fast, which it will feel like it is doing no matter what the first few
    times, let off the front brake. Have your feet ready to put down. Also, make sure you are straight up and down on the bike and
    not leaning either way. Keep it straight, When the back wheel comes down, you can either ride off, or just sit there.
    Now practice it some more, over and over, until you are used to the sensation of the back wheel coming up. Once you are
    familiar with it, now you can move on.

    Part Eight: Moving
    Once you are proficient at stoppies at around 0 miles per hour, you can now try the rolling stoppie, which is sure to bring you
    adoration and attention from the opposite sex.
    The process for rolling stoppies is the same as for stopping stoppies, except you are much more likely to crash. Rolling forward
    at the speed of your choice, on warm, super-sticky sports tires, squeeze the clutch and grab the front lever with all four fingers.
    Progressively squeeze the lever, shift your weight forward, bounce on the pegs to unload the rear end, and then clamp them
    down. If you know what you are doing, the back end will come up. More brakes, more altitude. If it starts getting to high, less
    brakes. Simple, really (yeah, right).
    You can either ride it out to a stop and drop the wheel, or you can release the brake early and drop the rear wheel while moving
    and ride off.
    Gary Rothwell, popular stunt bloke, recently did a rolling stoppie from 108 miles per hour! Apparently, he tried to do it from
    higher speeds but the front wheel kept locking. I would have pissed myself.
    Once you can Endo a bike at a stoplight while eyeing the soccer mom in the minivan next to you, you are ready to take it just a
    bit further!

    Part Nine: Variations
    Once you have stoppies down, you can spice them up a little. Here are a few ways.
    Wave! I haven't ever done this, but I saw it done. Take off your left hand and wave or flip off whomever. You probably have to
    a hella-strong right hand and big furry coconuts to do this, or any other variation.
    Take feet off! Take one or both feet off and kick them out, for the hell of it.
    Bring a friend! If you have a really good bond with someone and think you are up to it, bring them along. I have not done a
    stoppie with a passenger before, but I have been a stoppied passenger. It scared the hell out of me.
    Turn! If you think you can, turn the handlebars and get it sideways. If you come down sideways with any sort of speed, you'll
    probably drop your bike. It also takes a bit of strength to keep a 500 pound bike in line. It is also possible to do a G-turn, where
    you pivot around 180 degrees or more on the front tire.
    There are probably other variations, but I haven't done them.

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    Good Stuff - One of the best "How To Do A Wheelie" I have seen - good detail - just need the TL1000s Cheerzzzzzzzz

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