Naughty Ducati Rider

[Gen]

Just one more thing the rest of the world will view as why bikes and bikers are dangerous. Up go the peaple cutting us off and pretty much ignoring us in all circumstanses on the road.

Been seriously and safely observing people's behaviour while on the road as well as my own.
Not one person looks in the mirrors often, in fact most people looked completly oblivious to others on the road.
It's not just bikes they don't see and/or don't give a fuck about, they just don't think past themselves.
The driving skills are poor, but that's nothing most of us don't already know.
It's no excuse but there you go

[c4.]

True that!!! just tonight, I was cruising (in a lane) up a line of traffic waiting to turn right.
3 lanes, lady on my left suddenly realises she wants to be in lane turning right... on MY right. Didn't even see her check her mirrors, she just moved right with out indication, to try and push into line on MY right!!!
Luckily I had been playing in some of Aucklands worst all day ( saw 3!!! accidents already,)
saw her coming down on top of me out, punched throttle, I swear she yelled at ME??!!
You gotta know that they aren't watchin for you, so like chess, you gotta stay 3 moves in front. Never go to sleep on your bike!

[Ms Piggy]

Before people start bashing the cops - there was a very good reason why he was chased and he deserved what he got!

I agree - knob head!

[jrandom]

Never go to sleep on your bike!

I work with a dude who fell asleep once, sitting on his ZX-7R at the lights. Woke up to the sweet caress of the bike falling on top of him.

[Timber020]

So the cops should be legally be allowed to potentially kill a guy? I understand justifyable force being used, but how different is puting a police car in the path of a biker and taking a shot at him?

The guy was on flee mode, look how many everyday citizens try to outrun the cops for minor reasons. Some guy in the US caused a massive carchase which ended in somebody getting killed because of the nature of the chase. Why was he being pulled over? Random pull over. WHy did he run? Because he was a school coach and was wearing a dress and was terrified what would happen to him if he was seen by the local cop like that.

Guy shouldnt have run, but fight and flight are strong parts of our psyche.

[Waylander]

So the cops should be legally be allowed to potentially kill a guy? I understand justifyable force being used, but how different is puting a police car in the path of a biker and taking a shot at him?

The guy was on flee mode, look how many everyday citizens try to outrun the cops for minor reasons. Some guy in the US caused a massive carchase which ended in somebody getting killed because of the nature of the chase. Why was he being pulled over? Random pull over. WHy did he run? Because he was a school coach and was wearing a dress and was terrified what would happen to him if he was seen by the local cop like that.

Guy shouldnt have run, but fight and flight are strong parts of our psyche.

Ugh, One more reason why everyone (well almost) thinks Americans are idiots. You do know the stuff you see on the news and on tv is at the low end of the spectrum right?

[jrandom]

So the cops should be legally be allowed to potentially kill a guy? I understand justifyable force being used, but how different is puting a police car in the path of a biker and taking a shot at him?

Don't be ridiculous. Putting a car in his path was an entirely passive action. Your argument is fallacious sophistry of the worst kind.

The guy was on flee mode, look how many everyday citizens try to outrun the cops for minor reasons.

They blocked the road because doing so was safer than letting him ride at high speed into the road closure further down.

Guy shouldnt have run, but fight and flight are strong parts of our psyche.

Of course, of course. Remember Erin Burgess? Great fun. Aren't you glad the cops respected the safety of that fleeing motorcyclist, and *didn't* put a roadblock up?

[Timber020]

I dont nessesarily disagree with what the cops did, Im just thinking the whole situation through and wondering about the outer limits of when the cops choose to stop the chase or how much power they put into stopping it.

I find it interesting when so many say "he got what he deserved" when so many of us speed, and so many of us find it so deplorable when one of our "ranks" get hurt by the actions of a cage.

Yes this situation is different, but how different?

[c4.]

Heeeeyyyy, they were following him!!
You think they didn't have a plate!!!???
Plus, if he's going over the bridge, they got him on camera at least 1/2 a dozen times, not to mention being able to close off-ramps.
If he bailed down to wethaven, he's even gotter.
Nah , some young copper in a cage who's seen too many sepo movies.
F*c**rs

[madboy]

I'd run for something as simple as no Reg, and as my bike is seldom reg'd, what do ya reckon the chances are of a chase starting for that lame reason sooner or later? BUT... as I've said in other threads, I'd run if the odds were heavily stacked in my favour - if 1500kg objects were being parked in front of me I might rethink the whole deal!! Don't want to prejudge the 5-0 in this case, but here's a little story for ya from my archives...

I got busted years ago (co-incidentally following a pursuit where the odds were not stacked heavily in my favour) and getting a ride home with one of the officers I asked about a brand new Police car that I'd seen just down the road a week before that had been t-boned. He said a patrol had spotted a disq driver and went to pull him over. He, driving his Vauxhall Viva with his family in it, failed to stop, and proceeded to drive his family home at 50km/h. The pursuing officer radioed it in, kept his distance but still with lights and sirens going. This guy continued to dawdle down the road heading for his home address. Guy was a regular with the cops, so they weren't too worried about losing him anyway - and while my turbocharged rice rocket might have given their Commos a go, his Vauxhall Viva sure as hell wouldn't. Aside from failing to stop, he was otherwise obeying the road rules. They get a bit further down the road, still status quo, and round a bend into a narrow section that goes past some shops and a train station. Rookie 5-0 racing toward the pursuit from the opposite direction goes "Holy shit - it's the car they're chasing!" and swerves right across the road dead in front of the Viva. You ever tried the brakes in a Viva?

Now, back to the winner on the Duc - was the patrol car truly parked in a roadblock, or did he try to take the bike out? Cos if it was a genuine roadblock - the guy on the Duc's a dipshit!

[speedpro]

Now, back to the winner on the Duc - was the patrol car truly parked in a roadblock, or did he try to take the bike out? Cos if it was a genuine roadblock - the guy on the Duc's a dipshit!

There's only one thing for sure and that is that we will never get a reliable answer to that question.

[madboy]

There's only one thing for sure and that is that we will never get a reliable answer to that question.

Amen .........

[Madmax]

looked like a 900ss

[Coldkiwi]

Yes, so the guy shouldn't have run and the cops are doing their job (we know this, it is after all about the 4,000th thread on bikers doing runners and the ensuing karma coming to get them)
Its a shame the cops can't come clean about it though. I don't imagine ANY motorcycle rider running headlong into a stopped car with flashing lights that they can see from a decent distance . So if the cops put a road block out in a spot that maybe wasn't the best, why not just say 'we needed to stop him because he's been a very naughty boy (insert drugs/booze/robbery etc) and this was the only place we could do it' instead of 'we sent a car to WARN him of road works ahead and somehow they happened to hit each other'.
I think what people want to see is cops doing their best to do their job but being honest enough about their work when things go off course to admit 'hey, we tried our best, didn't work out the way it should've and we think we can probably do better'.

Since when did ANY law enforcement agency warn a fleeing crim of ROADWORKS when they have the car available to try and stop him?? Excuses like that roadworks story just take away from peoples respect for them I think.

[vifferman]

In case you didn't see it (from The Harold):

Rider injured in police chase

11.03.05 By ELIZABETH BINNING

A motorcyclist pursued by police is in hospital after crashing into a police car parked across the middle of the road to stop him. The chase occurred late on Wednesday night after the motorcyclist failed to stop for a police patrol car on the North-western Motorway. Auckland City police spokeswoman Noreen Hegarty said the motorcyclist had been travelling at "excessive speeds" on the city-bound lanes of the motorway. After failing to stop for police the motorcyclist, in his mid-40s, was pursued through Pt Chevalier. The chase continued along Great North Rd, up Bullock Track and eventually into Curran St. Ms Hegarty said the chase had been monitored by the Northern Communications Centre which sent extra patrol cars to assist. While the extra patrol cars were not involved in the chase, one parked across the middle of Curran St in an attempt to stop the motorbike. The police car had its lights flashing and sirens on. Ms Hegarty said the motorcyclist had failed to stop and slid into the front left corner of the stationary car. The driver received moderate injuries and was expected to spend two days in Auckland Hospital. Two officers in the stationary patrol car at the time were not injured. The patrol car and Ducati motorbike are now in "secure storage" for the investigation. The Police Complaints Authority has also been notified of the accident. NZ First police spokesman Ron Mark said while his sympathy was with the motorcyclist's family, the accident could have been easily avoided. "There's one simple way that lawbreakers can avoid injuring themselves in police chases and that is to stop when they are first asked to."