Stolen bikes by brand

[Mikkel]

Err.....last sentence kind of contradicts the first one doesn't it?

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/sta.../table-07.html

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/sta.../table-08.html

So you provide links to statistics relating to new cars registred in 2007 on the North and South Island. What does that tell us about the brand distribution in the total population? That's right - Nothing.

But you are correct - I should have written very, instead of the most, common vehicle on the roads. I have indeed not done a formal count nor have I even bothered checking with any vehicle database whether my claim was correct. Let's at least agree that Subarus are not - by any stretch of the imagination - uncommon. If we only consider fun (i.e. >250 hps) cars to steal - then I have gut feeling that the distribution is going to be even more favourable for the Subarus. Then we could consider fun cars without an immobiliser...

However, with that astounding observance of yours you must surely acknowledge that it is flawed to conclude that brand A is more succeptible to being stolen than brand B just based upon the fact that A constitutes 25% of all stolen vehicles while B constitutes 10%.
If A constitutes 50% of the total vehicle population and B only 5% - then B is 4 times as likely to be stolen as A.
This ought to be primary school stuff - so I really hope I haven't made any mistakes.

[MarkH]

If we only consider fun (i.e. >250 hps) cars to steal

This is the problem - if you buy a 'fun' car like a Subaru WRX STi or a Holden Commodore V8 then there is a greater likelihood that some fucktard is will try to steal it. You save your money and use it to buy something nice and some scumbag wants to take it. And what do the police do about it? They park a van by the motorway and ticket you when you drive your 'fun' vehicle above 110kph, but there is nothing they can do if it gets stolen - they are there to make money, not prevent crime. How many resources are devoted to stopping house burglaries and vehicle theft vs the resources devoted to ticketing traffic infringements?

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Go fuck yourself.

Hook line and sinker. Stereotype confirmed

[peasea]

Hook line and sinker. Stereotype confirmed

Ditto.

And you hurt my feelings....

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And you hurt my feelings....

As you hurt mine whenever you're crawling past and don't wave

[peasea]

As you hurt mine whenever you're crawling past and don't wave

But I DO wave, that's the whole thing.

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But I DO wave, that's the whole thing.

Back on topic for a minute, my understanding is that in NZ it's mainly dirt bikes and farm equipment - ATVs/Quads and tractors (Harleys)

[Burtha]

put a lock on it.

I'm a f**kin genius!

[cs363]

So you provide links to statistics relating to new cars registred in 2007 on the North and South Island. What does that tell us about the brand distribution in the total population? That's right - Nothing.

Actually, it gives a general idea as to the buying trends of the general public - after all new cars affect used car statistics once they leave the showroom and get onsold. Also, used car/bike sales tend to follow very similar patterns to new sales, as this reflects: http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/sta.../table-06.html Apologies for the somewhat dated statistics, but then we are dealing with LTSA here...

But you are correct - I should have written very, instead of the most, common vehicle on the roads. I have indeed not done a formal count nor have I even bothered checking with any vehicle database whether my claim was correct. Let's at least agree that Subarus are not - by any stretch of the imagination - uncommon. If we only consider fun (i.e. >250 hps) cars to steal - then I have gut feeling that the distribution is going to be even more favourable for the Subarus. Then we could consider fun cars without an immobiliser...

However, with that astounding observance of yours you must surely acknowledge that it is flawed to conclude that brand A is more succeptible to being stolen than brand B just based upon the fact that A constitutes 25% of all stolen vehicles while B constitutes 10%.
If A constitutes 50% of the total vehicle population and B only 5% - then B is 4 times as likely to be stolen as A.
This ought to be primary school stuff - so I really hope I haven't made any mistakes.

I think you'll find that the real reason that Subaru's top the most stolen lists is the reason that another poster stated, that they make relatively high performance , fun cars. Look at most of the cars near the top of those lists and you'll notcie they all fit that bill - V8 Holdens and Fords, Mitsubishi Lancer Evos, Mazda Turbos and so on.

Toyota has long been acknowledged as the overall best selling brand in NZ for some years (both new and used) but they don't get stolen much as they tend to make sensible, reliable cars which equate to boring as far as the low life scum that steal stuff are concerned. Also, there is a ready market for parts to the boy racers and so on.

The reason that Harleys are often top of the stolen list is that again there is unfortunately a ready market for stolen bikes and parts given that the same brand appeals to the criminal sector.
Obviously farm and trail bikes get stolen as they are easy to dispose of, not having to be registered or used on the road where they are most likely to be apprehended.

[peasea]

Back on topic for a minute, my understanding is that in NZ it's mainly dirt bikes and farm equipment - ATVs/Quads and tractors (Harleys)

So a street triple is what? Let me see.....a great place to keep wankers off Harleys. Erm, you have one don't you? Soooo........

[Slyer]

The stats are only for people who have chosen to list their bike stolen on this website.
Maybe people with Harleys are more likely to visit the website and report it stolen?

It's just a stupid internet poll though, can't discredit it more than that really.

[Mikkel]

Actually, it gives a general idea as to the buying trends of the general public - after all new cars affect used car statistics once they leave the showroom and get onsold. Also, used car/bike sales tend to follow very similar patterns to new sales, as this reflects: http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/sta.../table-06.html Apologies for the somewhat dated statistics, but then we are dealing with LTSA here...

Yes, but trends change. The current car population represents an amalgam of the trends of the last 20 years. In latter years fuel prices have been on the rise which makes certain cars less attractive (e.g. subaru - 4wd and boxer engines).

I think you'll find that the real reason that Subaru's top the most stolen lists is the reason that another poster stated, that they make relatively high performance , fun cars. Look at most of the cars near the top of those lists and you'll notcie they all fit that bill - V8 Holdens and Fords, Mitsubishi Lancer Evos, Mazda Turbos and so on.

I think you'll find that the real source for what you here attribute to a 3rd poster is in fact the very post you just quoted. MarkH seemed to agree with my observation but took it further off-topic (topic = (flawed) statistics about stolen motorcycles) by making it a (fair) rant about law-enforcement priorities - while I agree with his point too I didn't add to it.
Please read what you quote and keep chronology in mind before you try to use my own post to point out a point to me which I actually just pointed out in the post you quoted.

Toyota has long been acknowledged as the overall best selling brand in NZ for some years (both new and used) but they don't get stolen much as they tend to make sensible, reliable cars which equate to boring as far as the low life scum that steal stuff are concerned. Also, there is a ready market for parts to the boy racers and so on.

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Indeed, compared to the good old days, today's Toyota lineup is dreadfully boring and sensible. Since they stopped producing the Supra there has really only been the Altezza which wouldn't bore old ladies to death.

A bloody shame since Toyota makes some great engines!

[peasea]

A bloody shame since Toyota makes some great engines!

I used to work for Toyota, great engines, great product all round. I was spewing when they stopped building them here coz they were far better than the jap imports. The come-back rate for NZ assembled vehicles was less than the 'mother' country.

We have an older Corona for a commuter and it's great, 220 on the odo and still running strong. Ya won't get that out of an Austin A30!

The 4AGE was a ripper engine, the 2S etc, even the 4K in its day. You're quite right. A Toyota bike might have been interesting....

[Slyer]

They stopped making decent cars because nobody was buying them.
Mmm supra yes please.

[Mikkel]

The 4AGE was a ripper engine

The AE86 - and that whole bunch (Nissan Silvia S12, S13 and Mitsi Starion) - were, I suppose, sorta the car parallel to the 250 ccm IL4 bikes. Affordable, good for driver development, heaps of fun and very decent performance - and they don't make them anymore and now everbody getting into it wants one.

I loved my S12 1.8l turbo just as much as I loved my zxr250a.