What do you do when both your ADV bikes are in bits?

[Box'a'bits]

Not a starter clutch issue. More around how many amps the starter takes to turn the bike over with, & whether there is spare to actually fire the bike.

Battery was reputed to new when I bought it Nov '08, but the PO had the bike for a couple of years & did sod all kms on it. So could have been older & discharged a few times.

Need to check it out with a multi meter to see if it's just a crap battery, or the starter, or a solenoid issue. Start issues come & go, which confuse the issue.

This can be a bastard on the trail - haven't sussed left foot kick starts while mounted yet. Need to do the neutral lock out mod as well. No issues kick starting the bike when I'm off it.

Cheers, Steve.

[Unit:Me]

Wel I hope Mr DMNTD gets hold you you CrazyFrog cause you make the world of motorcycling what it really is, any two wheels and having fun. He's in your town tonight on my 14 on a bit of a check out the SI buzz.

[NordieBoy]

Scoots RULE!!!!!!!!
I know no shame..........

It's also too big for the DB1K small bike challenge

[warewolf]

Not a starter clutch issue. More around how many amps the starter takes to turn the bike over with, & whether there is spare to actually fire the bike.

Battery was reputed to new when I bought it Nov '08, but the PO had the bike for a couple of years & did sod all kms on it. So could have been older & discharged a few times.

Hmmm sounds like weak battery if the problem is only first thing in the morning, but if it happens during the day when the battery should be nicely charged, maybe not. Unless a sub-spec battery has been fitted to save dosh. I priced one up last winter, it was the second-most expensive one listed.

This can be a bastard on the trail - haven't sussed left foot kick starts while mounted yet. Need to do the neutral lock out mod as well. No issues kick starting the bike when I'm off it.

When warm the bike should kick-start easily. Seated using left foot with hot bike, I set the lever about 10-15cm past TDC. This gives your leg an easy run for the first part of the swing, plus you don't need much speed or vigour in the kick.

[Box'a'bits]

Colin, the Koyo is the correct spec. But it may not be a strong battery. Charging o'night doesn't seem to help at all.

Ran the Orongorongo Station ride 2 weeks ago without lights, & it generally fired okay, then. The confusing thing is that at other times, sometimes it fires, sometimes not. Doesn't help if it hits compression in the early part of the start cycle.

As I said, I need to investigate (with a multimeter), & not just work around it.

Steve

[Waihou Thumper]

Not a starter clutch issue. More around how many amps the starter takes to turn the bike over with, & whether there is spare to actually fire the bike.

Battery was reputed to new when I bought it Nov '08, but the PO had the bike for a couple of years & did sod all kms on it. So could have been older & discharged a few times.

Need to check it out with a multi meter to see if it's just a crap battery, or the starter, or a solenoid issue. Start issues come & go, which confuse the issue.

This can be a bastard on the trail - haven't sussed left foot kick starts while mounted yet. Need to do the neutral lock out mod as well. No issues kick starting the bike when I'm off it.

Cheers, Steve.

Is still the original battery for a 2002, it kicks over first time on the e-start, still very strong.
I had one issue, when I hit the e-start it would start and then keep whirring over. This was more of a wet water issue, a short under the dash. Have never found the problem but we bridged the solonoid, starter and it is perfect now....No biggie

Neutral lock out mod? I kick start the bike regularly, it is handy to keep it in practice....

[Box'a'bits]

As I understand it, the bike comes with a number of 'safety' features which include lockouts that prevent the engine starting when in gear.

I have already bypassed the sidestand lockout.

The neutral lockout mod allows you to start the bike while it is still in gear. (selecting neutral is always fun when stalled on a hill ). http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298887, post 6.

Steve

[Padmei]

while no expert on batteries, a few auto elecs have told me that overnite chrging doesn'y work a lot of times as the batt needs a deep charge for a few
days- a mlti meter won't pick that up. doesn't take much for a good batt to become crappy by not being held at full charge

[Woodman]

Wel I hope Mr DMNTD gets hold you you CrazyFrog cause you make the world of motorcycling what it really is, any two wheels and having fun. He's in your town tonight on my 14 on a bit of a check out the SI buzz.

Hey, which route did he take to nelson , as he couldn't make his mind up on the ferry last night.

[warewolf]

As I understand it, the bike comes with a number of 'safety' features which include lockouts that prevent the engine starting when in gear.

I have already bypassed the sidestand lockout.

The neutral lockout mod allows you to start the bike while it is still in gear.

Ummm isn't this what the clutch switch is for? It is on most bikes. Pull the clutch in any gear, thumb the starter, be on your merry way before you even stop rolling. Jaybo's mod eliminates ALL lockouts with one mod, it is not just a neutral lockout. Such simplicity is great for his desert/safari race bikes, overkill for us street riders.

All this stuff is pretty normal on all bikes. Either the stand has a switch to detect it is down (typical jap setup), or it flicks up automagically when the bike is not weighting it (typical euro setup) usually smacking your shin in the process, and/or letting your nice shiny Dewcarti have a little lie down when the wind gusts.

My bike has no sidestand and therefore no sidestand lockout ex-factory. To be honest, I don't know why you would want to start the bike in gear with the sidestand down. You'd want to be landing pretty big jumps to get the sidestand to flick down far enough to trigger the switch...

As a final thought; my 2T EXC has an almost identical clutch lever. One of the differences is that it is missing the bump that triggers the clutch switch on the 640, as it has a different type of switch on the EXC. Intriguingly, the EXC emergency plastic levers are the right shape to suit the 640. If you have clutch switch issues then maybe you've got the wrong lever fitted? I'll bet the EXC one is cheaper.

[warewolf]

a mlti meter won't pick that up.

A battery needs to be tested under load. A battery that charges fine, looks fine, tastes fine, measures fine with the multimeter can still be f*cked. Ask me how I know.

[MXNUT]

To be honest, I don't know why you would want to start the bike in gear with the sidestand down. You'd want to be landing pretty big jumps to get the sidestand to flick down far enough to trigger the switch...

I was having a problem with my DRZ that whenever i rode it through water it would cut out for a few minutes. This was strange as my previous off road only model had been in water twice as deep with no problems.

I finally figured out that this was the side stand switch getting full of water and causing the ignition cut.
I have since bypassed the switch and had no further problems.

[NordieBoy]

You'd want to be landing pretty big jumps to get the sidestand to flick down far enough to trigger the switch...

Some dirt/crud in the sidestand pivot and heading over a medium size bump and the stand moved down a bit.
The crud stopped it moving back up...
Took a few minutes to work out why the engine had died.

Another + for WD-40

[warewolf]

Hmm, I must have been real lucky with my DRs, never had that problem. Cutting out on a water crossing would not be nice... fair call.

[Box'a'bits]

Ummm isn't this what the clutch switch is for? It is on most bikes. Pull the clutch in any gear, thumb the starter, be on your merry way before you even stop rolling. Jaybo's mod eliminates ALL lockouts with one mod, it is not just a neutral lockout. Such simplicity is great for his desert/safari race bikes, overkill for us street riders.

My bike will only start if the bike is in neutral. This is a pain on any difficult trail. Pulling in the clutch makes no difference, hence the interest in removing that lockout.

Maybe before I start down this track I should see why that is....

Steve