A question about rider etiquette at the lights.

[buellbabe]

What Vifferman said...

Each to their own. Just cos a person lane splits/filters or positions themselves at the head of the queue that doesn't automatically make them a moron...
What makes them a moron is HOW they do it

If I decide to filter to the front and another bike is already there I give them right-of-way. Same deal when I'm splitting down the motorway...if there is another bike up ahead doing the same thing I change lanes so as not to intefere with the other rider...

If someone wants to drag me off at the lights I generally regard them with some amusement...if he/she wants to fang it to the next red thats their business LOL.

[Big Dave]

JAFA v JAMY

[boomer]

you assume I don't/haven't - what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude??

But you being 21 you've been everywhere, done everything by now, my mistake as you were, fuckin gen X.

Sit down and shut up, granddad.

It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prov- oh wait, you just did.

Edit: You do realise I hope that trolling other members because you disagree with them does not advance your own argument in any way?

You should take some of your own medicine !?

[xwhatsit]

how exactly do you filter/split down a narrow single lane road unless you take the suicide lane up the inside between the parked cars or ride on the wrong side of the road as the gaps appear in the oncoming traffic - hardly splitting/filtering down that road is it? Your life to lose. Not to mention the pedestrians that may or may not step out in front of you - given that location.

I don't, generally, split down narrow single lane roads, given that there's none on my commute and it would seem pretty silly anyway. However the rare times these do pop up I take them at around walking pace, stopping to put my feet down occasionally as you roll around a wing mirror etc. Given the traffic is `parking lot', you're still moving forward anyway. Bicycles are usually faster in this case so it's hardly dangerous.

you assume I don't/haven't - what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude??

But you being 21 you've been everywhere, done everything by now, my mistake as you were, fuckin gen X.

I'm sure you might've done the same thing once or twice. I didn't even look at your location, assumed you were an Aucklander to be honest. Is this the normal tactic you use when somebody disagrees with you?

All in all I feel pretty safe doing it and pretty comfortable that the drivers are happy with me doing it to. Like PirateJafa, one tends to bump into pissed-off cagers when your riding along on an empty road doing 50kph. Cagers stuck in traffic jams seem quite happy to let me float by by comparison. In fact quite often on my way to uni I'll be sitting at the front of the lights and the guy in the car at the front will wind down his window and tell me the usual `my mate used to have a bike just like that one' story.

[vifferman]

some cock... cock's ...shit their leathers ... smart arse....
Fuck ....these cunts....

... morons ....morons ....
Morons ...morons - the faster they all perish and stop breeding, the safer we'll all be.

who gives a rat's arse ....

No wonder the rest of the country despises this attitude - Just an Arrogant Fucking Aucklander

what the fuck has the location got to do with your attitude?? fuckin gen X.

Oh - and THANKS for the negative rep!
It was quite a novelty for me - with nearly 20,000 rep points, I've only seen one of them little red box thingies a half dozen times!
Would you care to expand on "Blah blah blah"?
I'm not sure what you meant.

Hmmmm....
What about your attitude?
You mentioned "logic" in between ranting, but there was rather a dearth of logic in what you posted.

You've rather missed the point: I lane-split, and filter, when I judge (in my 35+ years of riding/driving experience), that it's safe to do so. Not always, not for some capricious or "my penis is bigger than yours" reason, and not at every opportunity, but only when I feel it's warranted.
Not to merely get to the front, not to win the Wacky Races, not because "I do it, so it MUST be right!" but for quite carefully thought out reasons. In so doing, I don't hold up any other motorists, I don't impede their progress, I don't endanger them or myself in any way (unless they break the law and change lanes in a dangerous manner), I don't break any laws, I don't act in a way which will annoy anyone, unless they (apparently, like yourself) have an attitude problem and hate to have anyone pass them.
In fact, logically, if I split to the front, I have LESS effect on other motorists, than if I "queue with everyone else" and therefore impede those behind me. If you were sitting in a line of traffic, and I split past you, then you would arrive at your destination at EXACTLY the same time as if I was behind you. It would have no effect on you apart from you getting angry.
If I was in the queue ahead of you, and then lanesplit to the front, you would actually arrive EARLIER, and apparently that would make you angry too, if you saw me.
Think about it....

Unlike you, I also have a built-in capacity for self-analysis and introspection. Just because I do something or say something, doesn't make it right. If you can give me some reason based on law, commonsense, logic, or whatever, why what I am doing is wrong, then I will give it some thought.

(Alternatively, you could just throw some more invective at me, or perhaps wait a few days and red-rep me again.)

[Big Dave]

with nearly 20,000 rep points,

n00b.

[breakaway]

Personally I like to wheelstand while I'm splitting between cars stopped at the lights. I've taken out several wing mirrors with my footpegs and exhaust a few times

[Patch]

blah blah.. I ... I .. blah blah . . . I don't . . . . I don't . . . .blah blah blah

interesting to read that you think so fucking much of yourself - and yet you assume certain things about others who have a different opinion.
Careful your hairy arse doesn't break the soapbox your standing on.


Thanks for the confirmation that my post/s touched a nerve or three.

FTW - I never said you were wrong . . . but if the shoe fits

[vifferman]

interesting to read that you think so fucking much of yourself - and yet you assume certain things about others who have a different opinion.

You are assuming a lot there! I actually have a very sober opinion of myself, and don't take myself very seriously at all (note my signature lines, f'rinstance!) I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong when shown to be so, and have taken the piss out of myself numerous times on KB.
Who is it here, that's calling people with different opinions "morons" and red-repping them?

The only thing I assumed (and with reason) is that it obviously makes you very angry that people filter to the front at traffic lights. You, on the other hand, have assumed that those of us who filter do so because we are "impatient" and can't be bothered to "wait our turn". I assumed (once again, with reason) that you view this as "queue-hopping", when in fact, it doesn't disadvantage anyone who is in the queue any more than someone flying from Wellington to Auckland disadvantages those who have to drive or go on the bus.
I suggest you think very carefully about the logic of this, take some anger management courses, and get over yourself.

Careful your hairy arse doesn't break the soapbox your standing on.

Very witty.

Thanks for the confirmation that my post/s touched a nerve or three.

It's nothing to do with nerves or feelings (you'll note that it's YOU who are resorting to name-calling).
YOU said:
"I don't understand why these morons must get to the front at all costs - it defies logic and your own personal safety.
Far safer to split the traffic and sit at least one sometimes two cars back (from the lead car/s)."

I was trying to explain to you why I ride to the front (and not "at all costs") and the logic behind it, and the fact that it IS safer than "split(ting) the traffic and sit(ting) at least one sometimes two cars back".

Glass houses, stones, etc.
If you're going to talk with any credibility about morons and logic, make sure you actually use logic, present your arguments using facts, and then you won't end up portraying yourself as a moron.
If you're going to post things that are poorly thought out and lacking in logic, then be prepared to have people point out the flaws, and try not to take it so personally. Learn from it, and get over yourself.

[Patch]

present your arguments using facts

Fact is, it is merely my opinion - not an argument.

Don't like my opinion - take your own advice, get over it.


So is that one or two pairs of shoes you will be needing??

[vifferman]

So is that one or two pairs of shoes you will be needing??

I'm a guy - I don't need any more shoes.

[Ms Piggy]

Why would anyone care if another bike left the lights faster than them?


I mean really - why?

He didn't leave me at the lights. We actually both took off from the lights at the same time but I could tell that he wanted to be in front so gave way because I can't be fluffed playing little games and Betty wouldn't be able to do it anyway!

[Ms Piggy]

When i am splitting like that, i take of as fast as possible (withen saftey), it is all about giving myself enough room.

Hear me roar: I wasn't lane splitting.

Recently the mighty Betty and I were waiting at the lights, we were at the front of the queue (Btw - Betty is my CB250RS and the ripe old age of 25yrs)....another rider on a 250 lane split and stopped beside me at the lights (no probs, plenty of room).

[Harvd]

WOW that was dramatic... Yeah Vifferman u got it right (mainly because what you said made sense lol!)

[Ms Piggy]

Or, in this case, non-issue.

Let me get this straight. Someone accelerated away from the lights faster than someone else. And this violates "rider etiquette"?

No you've got it all bent.

No, you're going to have to explain that again. I still don't get it.

Okay...so...

Recently the mighty Betty and I were waiting at the lights, we were at the front of the queue (Btw - Betty is my CB250RS and the ripe old age of 25yrs)...another rider on a 250 lane split and stopped beside me at the lights (no probs, plenty of room). When the lights turned green the other rider basically burned off to get in front of me.

He and I took off together and then:

I could tell that he wanted to be in front so gave way because I can't be fluffed playing little games and Betty wouldn't be able to do it anyway!