Hypothetical situation

[Morcs]

Yes, bad mouth them enough on here, and they will move heaven and earth to roadblock you...

[Rodney007]

A lot of Police ride motorcycles Rodney, they also check out KB. Better behave!

they can hawke out the rides and thats about it,

your not writing a signed statement therefore you have your rights to freespeech.

[Mikkel]

I wonder if the cops read KB... they might have gleaned a few insights ... but... naaaaaaaaaa they'd never do that would they?

I am sure they will be taking a keen interest in this thread.

Guys, no offense, but I think you are over-estimating our importance and underestimating the police a bit here.

A lot of Police ride motorcycles Rodney, they also check out KB. Better behave!

Indeed, and the cops on here never posts any shit whatsoever eh? They're all surfing KB on company time looking for all the serious crime... I'm sure the prosecution in the Bain trial managed to pick a few gems up here as well.

[Patch]

interesting to read that the general assumption is, there is only one silent guilty perp - hypothetical or not

[HenryDorsetCase]

EVERYbody knows that Laniet did it: topped everybody then overcome with remorse, topped herself by shooting herself in the crown of the head. then a couple more times as well.

[The Stranger:Me]

your not writing a signed statement therefore you have your rights to freespeech.

This thread aside. Information on a public forum can be used as evidence.
Some members of KB have already found this out the hard way - 3 that I am aware of.

[ManDownUnder]

Guys, no offense, but I think you are over-estimating our importance and underestimating the police a bit here.

Oh agreed - I doubt there's anything admissable in here but between the tags, less than subtle hints and general banter it's pretty obvious where the truth might eb found... so if a case is taken against the wrong person and fails for whatever reason... they might be able to pursue an alternate line of investigation and find an alternate offense and take that through to prosecution.

Who knows?

My point was actually acknowledging the cops on here (the ones that do not post that is...) and saying hi.

They'd be the ones that sometimes read the ATNR thread as an example...

[Rodney007]

meh,!!!!! how can they link you to your kiwibiker account? pics?

wow, and i just looked at the tags ....

[ManDownUnder]

meh,!!!!! how can they link you to your kiwibiker account? pics?

wow, and i just looked at the tags ....

Repeat after me "subpoena". And if not from KB then Trademe might have the contact details of "lrdbsi" requested... it's not hard to do mate.... It's all a matter of public record and that's just from google. I'm no conspiracy theorist... but I know there's links that can easily be made that bring down the bulletproof simply because they (or someone) opened their mouth in a public place...

Beside - why f**k the police? Those are the guys and gals keeping me safe thanks all the same. I personally have no problems with them which I guess puts me at odds with a few around here. I'm happy to take any medicine I deserve

[Winston001]

meh,!!!!! how can they link you to your kiwibiker account? pics?

Here is a little moral tale - 10,000 Trademe personal account details released to defendants in a criminal trial....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=10524998

So it can and does happen.

However that isn't the issue on KB normally. What happens is someone skites about a charge and tells us how they are going to get out of it. Or they tell us about doing a runner in a particular time and place, saying just enough to confirm who they are to the rozzers.

Its pure chance if a police officer comes across such posts and is the slightest bit interested, but Murphy's Law......it can happen.

[Zuki lover]

The answer would be - Grow up and not do dumb shit - ha ha ha

[The Stranger:Me]

Its pure chance if a police officer comes across such posts and is the slightest bit interested, but Murphy's Law......it can happen.

There have been quite a few "chances" actually.
Personally, I am not a fan of leaving things to chance.

My point is.
Regardless of what interest the Police may or may not have in the site. I feel it would be prudent to NOT post up anything that may incriminate yourself.

[DEATH_INC.]

Mmmm, I've resisted posting this up long enough... if anyone's interested.
This is what the main witnesses account of things would look like in this hypothetical situation if taken from the police disclosure....

I was travelling south on s/h* and climbing the p******* hill. I was off duty but in an unmarked police patrol car. traffic was very heavy and travelling slowly probably about 10-20 kph on average.
As I passed through the end of the first southbound passing laneand just about to cross the viaduct i looked in the external rearview mirror I saw a motorcycle (rider 'A') coming from behind me up the wrong side of the road and on the wrong side of the no passing line. I was unsure of the registration.
I looked in the mirror again and saw a group of motorcycles approaching. The first of these (rider 'B') was performing a 'wheelstand' as the rider came up the hill on the wrong side of the no passing line. The wheelstand was sustained over a considerable distance, perhaps up to 100 meters.
As the motorcycle went past me still on the wrong side of the road I was able to get the registration number *****
I looked again and saw another motorcycle (rider 'C') approaching very quickly. this motorcycle performed a number of short distance wheelstands as it overtook traffic up the wrong side of the no passing lines. As the motorcycle went past me I saw the registration began with a * but could not make out the rest of the plate.
Another 3 motorcycles (riders 'd' 'e' and 'f') followed but I was unable to get thier registration no's.
I radioed ahead and passed the information I had to Highway patrol units. These hp units stopped these vehicles further down the road.
By the time I had travelled to P**** in the traffic stream the motorcycles had been stopped at C************ Drive.


Now, what may have happened is rider 'A' and rider 'F' were pulled up and issued with dangerous driving notices, for performing these wheelstands, and may now be going to court to defend the charges.
Rider 'B' is being very quiet (pretty sure they know about it...) and rider 'C' is denying everything.
Waddayathink?

[Winston001]

So. The issue is a group of bikes have passed vehicles on a double no-passing line (I think). That's an offence. I suspect many of us do it, safer than it looks.

What escalates things is the volume of traffic. Passing on double yellows becomes dangerous driving when heavy traffic is involved. And speed. Still, that is for a judge to decide.

The wheelies are prima facie evidence of dangerous driving particularly when combined with no passing lines.

As for the individuals involved, this isn't a case of swopping bikes and an innocent rider getting stopped later. Or two identical bikes.

The police have to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. Individually. Against each rider charged. Being in a group behind other riders who offend doesn't sound like sufficent evidence for dangerous driving by a member of that group. Depends too on what was said/admitted at the stop. Many, indeed most get convicted out of what they say.

[Winston001]

Do any of the other riders 'fess up to save Riders A and F?

Well firstly the police may not believe the confession. Something to consider.

Riders B and C could give evidence in court, supported by D and E for that matter, to say A and F did not perform wheelies. B and C would have to state they were the offenders.

There is a rule of law that statements given in Court are privileged. They cannot be used against you. Frederick Forsyth wrote an excellent short story based on this -"Privilege". Therefore an incriminating statement from the witness box can't be brought up in another hearing.

Warning: its be many years since I looked at the laws of evidence and there may be subtle changes. This requires proper legal advice.