Hypothetical situation

[enigma51]

Too true.

According to rep I received just now (which I won't quote cos that's against the rules, but I will convey the gist of) certain people are not being cowards, because certain other people were doing wheelies all day anyway, and also, um, their bike didn't have a WOF.

The weaselliness of that logic beggars belief.

Sorry, Raj, you're being a coward. Sooner or later, we all do wheelies, we all ride machines with run-out WOFs or regos. That has nothing to do with anything.

This isn't about Death being a bad man on a motorcycle. This is about him getting charged for something you did. The fact that he did some wheelies himself at some other point in time is completely irrelevant.

Y'see, Death was smart enough to do his out of sight of the cops; you weren't.

Raj, if you think that weasel karma is a better thing to carry around than a DD conviction... you'll grow wiser sooner or later.

Just my opinion based on the facts as stated so far, of course.

I think we need some more cauliflower ......


PS not for you but for some others

[jrandom]

I think we need some more cauliflower ......


PS not for you but for some others

Ain't no problem that a good old-fashioned cauliflowering can't solve.

[Morcs]

Why shouldn't this be in the public domain, and how is it out of context?

Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.

[Indiana_Jones]

Riding a Triumph doesn't make you a man

What the fuck?

You mean I brought it for fucking nothing?!

-Indy

[enigma51]

Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.

Im glad its out in the open cause know its clear to me that when you go riding with Raj's its every man/women for themselves.

Personally i like to only ride with people that will man up when they have done something wrong and you get done for it. More so when it involves Dangerous Driving allegations even though said person might have been a naughty boy before. I got seen not him/her.

But then again not all of us are born with a set of "testicles".




Which brings me to another question what are women born with to make them accept responsibility?

[DEATH_INC.]

because certain other people were doing wheelies all day anyway, and also, um, their bike didn't have a WOF.

Exactly, I never denied that. But, again as said before, time and place....
And you wanna talk bike legality, that fucken exhaust of RAJ's is never legal in this country, so his bike wasn't up to warrant standards either.

[White trash]

Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.

Incorrect.

If one of my friends was guilty of the same spinelessness, I'd clip him around the ears and tell him to man the fuck up.

Which is what I'm telling the two involved now. Their choice whether they heed my words. No skin off mine if they dont.

[The Stranger:Me]

Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.

Well Morcs that really is sad, I mean that sincerely. That it should come down to groups of friends.

Though, don't blame the thread for this division. As I noted to Raj with his racism comment, this comes down to his and DH's in/actions.

[Morcs]

Well Morcs that really is sad, I mean that sincerely. That it should come down to groups of friends.

Though, don't blame the thread for this division. As I noted to Raj with his racism comment, this comes down to his and DH's in/actions.

Dont get me wrong, I am in no way condoning Raj's attitude or actions, I just do not like the way this is being dealt with, Like Ive already said to Andy, As a good friend of Raj's, I dont want him to get into trouble, on the other hand Andy should not be taking any fall whatsoever - the police are at fault here. If they didnt get Raj, well thats all good, but that shouldnt mean they have to take down the next guy they see.

[Madness]

the police are at fault here. If they didnt get Raj, well thats all good, but that shouldnt mean they have to take down the next guy they see.

The Po-po are indeed mistaken in this case, mistaken identity. The fact remains that the only reason Death and I got pulled over that day was because two other people were wheelying at an innapropriate time and place. We have to pay, in both time and money, to defend ourselves from charges resulting in someone elses actions. My class of Licence, Death's rego and warrant have got absolutely nothing to do with this situation. Raj's white boots are a bigger crime against fashion FFS!.

I believe that contact was made with Raj directly to discuss this situation, before either Death or I participated in this shit-fight. This attempt to discuss things was apparently met with denial, denial and a hot cup of "you got what was coming". I see that now Raj finally has grown enough manhood to post in this thread (whilst under supervision from mates?), there seems to be no denial of any wheelying at all. Instead just references to "additional facts" that apparently Death & I are witholding.

So come on Raj, cough up. I'm seeing the Lawyer this week, he might want the new evidence.

Oh, Morcs. If this thread is getting uncomfortable for you, perhaps that's because you know that it could be you in either one of our positions right now. Some friend.

[SixPackBack]

Dont get me wrong, I am in no way condoning Raj's attitude or actions, I just do not like the way this is being dealt with, Like Ive already said to Andy, As a good friend of Raj's, I dont want him to get into trouble, on the other hand Andy should not be taking any fall whatsoever - the police are at fault here. If they didnt get Raj, well thats all good, but that shouldnt mean they have to take down the next guy they see.

Yup no question you are correct, poor Police work is definitely to blame. We can argue about the future fallout this case may cause, but.........lets get pragmatic for a mo'

Regardless of said argument, one person is going to either take the fall for another and/or spend a considerable amount of money defending himself for the actions of another. How would you behave Morc?............would you approach the Police and offer the truth? I have thought about this case a great deal and have come to the conclusion that my conscience would get the better of me. Yes I would lose my licence for a few months, but it would be in the knowledge that I had actually committed a crime, and that I could hold my head high. The depth of feeling on this case is unlikely to subside for a very long time, time for the guilty to grow some massive dangling goat balls and man up.

[scumdog]

Yup no question you are correct, poor Police work is definitely to blame. We can argue about the future fallout this case may cause, but.........lets get pragmatic for a mo'The depth of feeling on this case is unlikely to subside for a very long time, time for the guilty to grow some massive dangling goat balls and man up.[/FONT]

The longer the 'real' offenders leave it to 'fess-up the more likely it will be thought by the law that they have an alterior motive for doing so.....

[smoky]

What if you appealed the ticket - then Raj wrote a letter saying it was him - what would the cops do I wonder?
Would they actually fine him? Can they? would they bother?
What if a bunch of you wrote in stating it was a case of mistaken identity and would be prepared to turn up at court to say so - I bet they would drop it as well. That's what happened to me years ago when cops busted a mate for doing wheelies in the park - when it was actually someone else we knew, we all wrote in (6 of us) said it was a case of mistaken identity and would all be prepared to swear to that in court - case dropped.

Has any of that been considered here?
Or do you just want to put a rope around raj's neck and hang him?
(if you do - let me know, I'd like to watch)

[MarkH]

we all wrote in (6 of us) said it was a case of mistaken identity and would all be prepared to swear to that in court - case dropped.

This sounds like a good idea - if Madness is consulting a lawyer anyway it might be worth asking about this idea. While he's at it he could also ask for confirmation on the rule about having to charge someone within 6 months, making it too late for the cops to charge Yam & Duc if they give statements saying it was them.

I like the idea of Yam & Duc being able to do the right thing without jeopardising their licences and maybe their jobs. I especially like the idea of the innocent being spared a court case with the risk of conviction for something they didn't do (or get caught doing in Death's case). A good result for everyone involved would be a really nice thing to read about - please guys see what can be done to make things better!

[DEATH_INC.]

What if a bunch of you wrote in stating it was a case of mistaken identity and would be prepared to turn up at court to say so - I bet they would drop it as well.

Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.